Definitions

[mohican]

In today's media parlance, bigot is used interchangeably with racist. Not the case. A racist can be a bigot, but a bigot isn't necessarilly a racist.

Definitions (according to Webster)

Liberal: one who is open minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

Liberal: (UK) a party in the UK associated with ideals of individual expression, economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

Conservative: One who adheres to traditional methods or views

Bigot: one obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his own church, party, or opinion

Socialism: Any of the various political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods. (See Democrat)

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Todays democrats are self described "liberals". But are they open minded? Tell them you want to own a gun. Tell them that it stifles the economy when the top 10% pay the majority of the taxes.

Are the Republicans holding office today conservatives? Not really. Many of them hold the same views today that the Dems held in the 60s. GWBs and JFKs stance on many issues are the same. The difference is GW has a staff that can carry out a plan, and he seems to keep it in his pants, so to speak.

While I'm ranting, how about the word bigot. In today's vernacular, that is the same as "racist" or "homophobe". But if you look at the definition, it is someone who will, on a face to face basis, let you know his/her opinion without holding up a finger to see how the wind is blowing, so to speak.

I'm a pro firefighter bigot

I'm a pro hunting bigot.
I'm a pro 2A bigot.
I'm a constitutionalist bigot.

[Chia6004]

I see the radical right is at it again. Changing the defintions of words now are we. Well actually twisting them and misquoting the defintion, but its all the same thing.

Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

That is the actual def according to websters.

Here is another from the same source.

n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot

According to american heritage.

Bigot: a person of strong convictions or prejudice, especially in matters of religion, race, or politics, who is intolerant of those who differ with him.

Intolerance: unwillingness to recognize and respect differences in opinions or beliefs

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intolerance

Liberal: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.<------ See that.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

I guess you just missed those parts right?

Conservative: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

You left some stuff out here too.

Like I've always said liberal thinking saved the world. Jesus was a liberal, Galileo was a liberal, MLK was a liberal, Gandhi was a liberal etc etc.

Geroge Bush: A stupid person; a dolt.
Psychology. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive (see also moron) Oh I kid the president.

Todays democrats are self described "liberals". But are they open minded? Tell them you want to own a gun. Tell them that it stifles the economy when the top 10% pay the majority of the taxes.

Oh wow you can't own a AR-15 I fell so bad for you.

Oh yes there is a big difference between open minded and stupid. Just because someone says that gays are evil doesn't make it right and the one thing I refuse to tolerate is intolerance.

Someone please tell me whats wrong with a progressive tax? Every economist I've ever heard has no promblems with it. Do you wan't to shift the tax burden to the middle and lower class? Bush is funny, I'm gonna cut income as I increase spending, great job there chief.

"Are the Republicans holding office today conservatives? Not really. Many of them hold the same views today that the Dems held in the 60s. GWBs and JFKs stance on many issues are the same. The difference is GW has a staff that can carry out a plan, and he seems to keep it in his pants, so to speak."

Wow how terrible. Racial and sexual equality is such a horrid thing. Your right they are not conservatives as you would have defined them 40 years ago, and for that I'm very thankful.

[Mad Co Citizen]

That is it!!!! I am going to become a liberal, now that I know that liberals saved the world and Bush is a dolt. Thanks Chia for enlightening us. <----------See that - that is sarcasm...let's spend another 5 hours arguing over that definition!!!

I am also ripping up all dictionaries that I see from now on.

[SouthsideTRKman]

Its OK PFD, I agree with you.

I think it is funny to hear Liberals talk about Race Issues when the Republicans were the ones who sponsored most of the Civil Rights Legislation in the 50's and 60's. They seem to forget that.

And last I checked, there were no members of the Ku Klux Klan in the Senate with an "R" Behind their name like Robert Byrd from WVA ( A Known Klan Member and Sitting Democrat US Senator)

Liberals are just as intolerant of other views as they claim conservatives are.

[Rackin A Round]

South Side, I agree with you. Let me ask you this Chia, do you remember who the president was that was responsible for freeing slaves? I will help you out on this one:

A) Lincoln - Republican
B) Cleveland - Democrat
C) Clinton - Democrat

Well it just couldn't be choice A, he was a republican, that Racist Bastard! Wait, it was Lincoln??? That's what I thought...and did you happen to know that most african americans were republicans after the slaves were freed and most white men were democrats. Maybe you need to read up on your history a little more before going off on this racist rant. Oh and also, a true, patriotic american would never call the President of the United States of America stupid or a moron....so now who is the uninformed communist??? Thanks for listening to me rant...I will get off my soap box now.

[Mad Co Citizen]

Rackin A Round,

You wrote: "a true, patriotic american would never call the President of the United States of America stupid or a moron".

I agree. Besides, G Dubs is definitely NOT stupid. Just because he says "new-cue-lar" and "hard work" over and over again does NOT mean he is stupid.

Chia...you missed a few too!!

Ted Kennedy: Hick-up...great driver, heroic in emergency situations, always tells the truth to the police, takes responsibility for actions.

John Kerry: Loser, magician specializing in disappearing and reappearing medals, votes for things before voting against them.

Bill Clinton: a large white stain on a dress.

Michael Moore: when you use the wrong hand to indicate 'loser'.

Al Gore: a phobia where you always feel that you have been cheated.

[Chia6004]

Well it just couldn't be choice A, he was a republican, that Racist Bastard! Wait, it was Lincoln??? That's what I thought...and did you happen to know that most african americans were republicans after the slaves were freed and most white men were democrats. Maybe you need to read up on your history a little more before going off on this racist rant. Oh and also, a true, patriotic american would never call the President of the United States of America stupid or a moron....so now who is the uninformed communist??? Thanks for listening to me rant...I will get off my soap box now.

Umm show me where I went off on my racist rant.

Republicans are funny. uninformed commuist WTF? Oh noes I'm not a real american because I actually differ with the president. This reminds of the second red scare. Don't say anything we don't agree with are you are teh evil.

Read the defintions. A conservative is someone who oppses change and favors traditonal values. So someone who wanted to maintain the status quo of racial and sexual inequality were conservatives, damn thats a tough concept to follow. Show me anywhere in my post where I brought partninship into the equation. Go ahead I'll wait.

"I think it is funny to hear Liberals talk about Race Issues when the Republicans were the ones who sponsored most of the Civil Rights Legislation in the 50's and 60's. They seem to forget that."

This is such a moronic post. You compared a political idea to a politcal party. Umm by defintion they were liberals. In case that is a difficult conecpt for you. Conservative, moderate and liberals are all political ideas. While Republicans, Democrats and libertarians are all politcal parties. You can have a liberal Republican and Conservative democrat.

That is it!!!! I am going to become a liberal, now that I know that liberals saved the world and Bush is a dolt. Thanks Chia for enlightening us.

The first part is true. Because as I have shown Jesus did oppose the teachings of the church at the time and spread radical ideas for that time period. Same with Gandhi MLK and Galieo so by deffintion they were liberals.

As for the second part it was just a joke. I think its funny to see you reds get all wound up because someone refuses to speak kindly of that horrid leader.

Since some of you can't see the difference between a political idea and a political party I will help you out. I consider myself a liberal because I have all of those requirments, free from bigotry dogma etc etc. I have sided with the deomcratic party because they more closely represent the ideals that I believe in today. I don't care what the fuck happened 100 years ago in either parties. If we did we would be arguing about federalists and anti federalists.

I don't however share all the same ideas with hardcore liberals. I'm not for open borders, I'm pro religon by the first ammendement, even though I myself I'm a Hummanist, I'm not pro gun control, in that they take your guns aways but I dont think that you need to own a MP5 are some crazy shit. In a way I'm pro life but I'm also pro choice, I don't think that it should be used as birth control but I do see the validty in pro choice.

"I agree. Besides, G Dubs is definitely NOT stupid. Just because he says "new-cue-lar" and "hard work" over and over again does NOT mean he is stupid."

I don't think he is stupid. I mean he was able to convince over half of americans that Saddam was a threat and had WMDS. He is very intellegent but It doesn't change the fact that I don't like him.

on the other hand.
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Ted Kennedy: Hick-up...great driver, heroic in emergency situations, always tells the truth to the police, takes responsibility for actions.

John Kerry: Loser, magician specializing in disappearing and reappearing medals, votes for things before voting against them.

Bill Clinton: a large white stain on a dress.

Michael Moore: when you use the wrong hand to indicate 'loser'.

Al Gore: a phobia where you always feel that you have been cheated

There you go making it partisian.

sigh. Ok.

Geroge Bush: Great family man knows how to control his liquor never did drugs because he says he didn't, never broken the law.

Dick Cheney: I had better things to do during nam. Haliburton will do a fine job rebuilding Iraq.

Rush Limbaugh: Drug abusers should be thrown in prison because its a sin and illegal. Oh nm.

Condy Rice: I can't spell her first name. You mean we can't incroach on your soverign airspace well fine then I'll take my ball somewhere else.

I have class so I will continue this in a few hours.

[Hopewell]

South Side, I agree with you. Let me ask you this Chia, do you remember who the president was that was responsible for freeing slaves? I will help you out on this one:

Well it just couldn't be choice A, he was a republican, that Racist Bastard! Wait, it was Lincoln??? That's what I thought...and did you happen to know that most african americans were republicans after the slaves were freed and most white men were democrats. Maybe you need to read up on your history a little more before going off. Thanks for listening to me rant...I will get off my soap box now.Lincoln was actually more concerned with the preservation of the union than the "freeing of slaves." He made a proposal to the confederacy that never through legislation and never through amendment (i.e., the Constitution) would slavery be outlawed, if the south would end hostilities with the north. It was rejected.

Lincoln was a typical politician... and a Republican. Imagine your black friends being owned to this day, thanks to his policies. He only courted abolitionists when he needed their votes, their support, and most importantly, their conscription. Hence, the emancipation proclamation as an offering to them.

P.S. African-Americans still weren't recognized fully as citizens until the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments... passed many years later.

[Hopewell]

I think it is funny to hear Liberals talk about Race Issues when the Republicans were the ones who sponsored most of the Civil Rights Legislation in the 50's and 60's. They seem to forget that. Maybe the 1860's...

And last I checked, there were no members of the Ku Klux Klan in the Senate with an "R" Behind their name like Robert Byrd from WVA ( A Known Klan Member and Sitting Democrat US Senator)Whaaaat? Never heard that. Documentation please...

Liberals are just as intolerant of other views as they claim conservatives are.Yeah, well, can't really argue that one. We all have our own way of looking at the world. ;)

[Mad Co Citizen]

Now who has their panties in a wad? Calm down...take a deep breath. I was joking around. How do you figure that your previous post was not partisan...I quote:

"Geroge Bush: A stupid person; a dolt."

Then you say to me:

"There you go making it partisian."

You started it by calling our commander in chief a dolt; likening it to a definition in a dictionary. Then I responded in kind...then you jump all over me?!?! A tad hypocritical, hmm?

There is a difference between differing with the president and calling him a dolt. Your comment was immature and ASKED for the commments that you got, so you will just have to deal with it.

BTW, don't feel sorry for me...if I wanted an AR-15, I could go buy one tomorrow. MP-5...if you want one, you should be able to have one - minus felons. When you ban some weapons, what comes next? The problem is liberals that are pro gun control (I am glad that you are not) won't stop until EVERY gun is banned...like in Australia...which has seen an INCREASE in crime since the ban. Look at Washington, D.C....the hand gun ban is a complete success there, huh? THIS is why gun advocates are against ANY ban...not because they want to own an arsenal.

[Mad Co Citizen]

Hopewell,

As to the Byrd issue, do the research...it is a known fact that he was a member of the KKK and was emphatically against the Civil Rights Act. Apparently he filibustered the Civil Rights Act for 14 hours...unsuccessfully, thank goodness. You CAN Google, can't you?

Don't jump on me...I am just stating fact.

[Hopewell]

BTW, don't feel sorry for me...if I wanted an AR-15, I could go buy one tomorrow. MP-5...if you want one, you should be able to have one - minus felons. When you ban some weapons, what comes next? The problem is liberals that are pro gun control (I am glad that you are not) won't stop until EVERY gun is banned...like in Australia...which has seen an INCREASE in crime since the ban. Look at Washington, D.C....the hand gun ban is a complete success there, huh? THIS is why gun advocates are against ANY ban...not because they want to own an arsenal.IMHO, there is no need for citizens to own handguns. Police and military only. Why?

(A) You are 43 times more likely to incur an accidental shooting in your home than you are to defend it from an intruder by possessing a loaded handgun in your home.
(B) Firearms are the items most sought after by thieves and burglars, more than jewelry or cash. Higher street value.

I did a term paper for a debate class in college arguing pro-gun control, so please take my word for the figures and don't make me dig through boxes from years ago to cite the sources. I'll concede the numbers may have altered to present day, but you get the point.

Anything you want to do -- hunt, target/skeet/trap shoot, and home defend, you can do with a long gun. Kids don't tend to play with rifles/shotguns the way they do with pistols. I personally have no problem with a ban on handguns. IMHO.

P.S. The H&K MP5 is a fine and reliable sub-machine gun, but the 9mm round might leave you lacking in a firefight. The .223 cartridge for the AR-15 has more powder behind it, but for my money, if I'm going the assault rifle route, I'll take the Colt M-4.

[Hopewell]

Hopewell,

As to the Byrd issue, do the research...it is a known fact that he was a member of the KKK and was emphatically against the Civil Rights Act. Apparently he filibustered the Civil Rights Act for 14 hours...unsuccessfully, thank goodness. You CAN Google, can't you?

Don't jump on me...I am just stating fact.Oh, fine. Make ME do the work... :rolleyes:

I don't jump on people for stating their opinion, nor do I expect to change them. I'm pretty good, in fact, at disagreeing agreeably. I'm just not a big fan of being called names (not that you or anyone else has directly) for thinking the way I do. I don't appreciate that there is a negative stigma attached to the word "liberal," the latin source of which means freedom. If I'm not on the Bush bandwagon, believe me, there are thought out reasons and beliefs behind it.

[Chia6004]

Now who has their panties in a wad? Calm down...take a deep breath. I was joking around. How do you figure that your previous post was not partisan...I quote:

"Geroge Bush: A stupid person; a dolt."

Then you say to me:

"There you go making it partisian."

I called are president a moron I didn't call republicans morons. But I can see how that could be mistaken for partisian bickering my apologies for that. Trust me, I wasn't mad.
You started it by calling our commander in chief a dolt; likening it to a definition in a dictionary. Then I responded in kind...then you jump all over me?!?! A tad hypocritical, hmm?

"There is a difference between differing with the president and calling him a dolt. Your comment was immature and ASKED for the commments that you got, so you will just have to deal with it."

I feel he is a dolt. He has shown a basic lack of understanding in the middle east since he was sworn in. He propses taxes breaks that even his own father says are flawed and then he rushed the nation to war before evaluating all the evidence.

Therefore I conclude he is a dolt, are does doltish things.

"BTW, don't feel sorry for me...if I wanted an AR-15, I could go buy one tomorrow. MP-5...if you want one, you should be able to have one - minus felons. When you ban some weapons, what comes next? The problem is liberals that are pro gun control (I am glad that you are not) won't stop until EVERY gun is banned...like in Australia...which has seen an INCREASE in crime since the ban. Look at Washington, D.C....the hand gun ban is a complete success there, huh? THIS is why gun advocates are against ANY ban...not because they want to own an arsenal."

How about people on terrorist watch lists should they be able to buy ones? Because according to recent reports its not illegal that they buy them and that the FBI even gave final clearence on the sales. If I can find a link latter I will post it.

IMO citizens have no need for an assualt weapon. A M4 is tad bit overkill to bring down a buck wouldn't you say. Assualt weapons should be banned nobody has any need for them at all.

However if all turns out well in the end I can atleast say that Dubya did some good.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/09/international/middleeast/09assess.html?hp&ex=1110430800&en=14576e85987cf44d&ei=5094&partner=homepage

I will not support the republicans as long as they continue there bigotry towards gays and lesibans however.

[Mad Co Citizen]

Chia,

Do you think Bush is stupid or not?

You have written:

"Geroge Bush: A stupid person; a dolt."

then...

"I don't think he is stupid."

then...

"Therefore I conclude he is a dolt, are does doltish things"

A dolt is a stupid person...or did you loose you dictionary?

Flip, Flop, Flip, Flop....are you John Kerry? 'I said he was stupid before I said he wasn't!!!'

As to the gay and lesbian issue...we have already discussed this and you know my position...I do not believe I will EVER agree with EVERYTHING a President does or says.

As to the "Rush to War", we have already discussed this also...if we talked about it for another 50 years and nothing changed in Iraq, it would still be too early for military action because war is NEVER necessary to liberals...I am glad Bush is in office...he takes care of shit instead of talking about it forever.

Hopewell...what about D.C.? That handgun ban was a success right? The only ones with handguns are those who obtain them illegally and the murder rate continues to grow. Your paper is pure propaganda...takes stats that are not complete and presents them separately from reality. Ask yourself this...why is the crime rate so low in the outlying areas in places like Georgia and Kentucky? Because the chance of the person inside the home having a gun is very high...can you say deterence? Take away guns and what happens? The only ones with guns are the criminals.

As far as handguns specifically...look at the case in Illinois a few years back. A person shoots and kills a knife-weilding home invader...then is arrested for having the handgun (it was illegal to have one in the town). You people (gun control freaks) told the person that he should have used his long rifle!!! That is doltish, if anything is. If this person had tried to use his long rifle (or if he had abided by this illegal law), he would be dead today, period. Long rifles are NOT good for home protection.

Now...I am FOR registration, mandatory training and laws that actually PROSECUTE those who leave guns around for children to get to (which represents a majority of your statistics.) Guns are not the problem...it is the people...hard to argue with that, right? To handgun owners...buy a quick action safe for your handgun and secure your other weapons and ammo.

Do you agree that the true gun control advocates will never stop until ALL guns are gone?

[SouthsideTRKman]

Mad Co. Citizen, you are soooo right about the gun ban in DC. If you go across the river to Virginia, you will find lower crime rates as well because the state has a Conceal & Carry Permit for anyone who passes a background check. No giving up your first born, retinal scans, fingerprint scans or waiting period. It is not unusual in more rural parts of the state, to see people with a pistol on thier hip.

The only people who suffer from gun bans are the innocent citizens who are denied the right to arm themselves for defense.

As far as George Bush goes, he is a RINO (Republican in Name Only) and two-steps away from being a Liberal.

You are also right about the War. Iraq could have gassed Israel, Syria, Kuwait and Jordan and the Liberals in this Country would still think he is a "Progressive Leader" and not worthy of military action...

[Rackin A Round]

Okay, I have tried to bite my tounge up until this point, but now that the ban law has been brought to light, it is time to voice my opinion....You want to base everything on stats right? Well how about this one, more people die in car crashes every year than firearm accidents. Should be ban vehicles now? Or do only police and military get the cars??? Picture this: You are working late one night and your wife and kids are at home sleeping. You wife wakes up to the sound of broken glass. She has been trained by the state of which you reside on how to safely operate a handgun. She grabs the GLOCK out of the dresser. She sees an intruder trying to hurt one of your children. BANG! She just saved your child's life.
I am a firm beliver in training standards. I think that before anyone is allowed to purchase or own a handgun they must go through more than just a safety course. They need to go to the range and qualify to prove they can operate a handgun. My entire family is trained (siblings, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.) on the basic and advanced uses of firearms. We offer training to the general public so that they can protect themselves and their loved ones. I think that standards should be set on owning a gun, but not a ban. You should be able to buy one anytime you want...as long as you know how to use it.

[No Fear]

Welcome to the TWD history channel and the Chia Dictionary. I truly know if i need a definition hell with Webster's just ask Chia. Good to see your still doing the same liberal thing my good old buddy.

Well let me throw my two cents in , whatever it worth. Regarding to politicians and Michael Moore. George W - never the broke law - funny I thought he admit to his alcohol related problem with the law - Bill Clinton I did not have sexual relations with that women , I didn't know a blow job was sexual relations and the insertion of a cigar was not being kinky. Plus smoke pot and hung out with Russians (an enemy then) avoiding Vietnam. Dick Cheney I admit I don't know the facts and I better leave better alone. Ted Kennedy - great driver, doesn't get charge with vehicular manslaughter or homicide by driving intoxicated, guess he didn't break the law, Hell he's still a smart drunk, Rush Limbaugh - druggie, yep on pain pills that a real good news brought out there. I guess if you were on pain medication and become addicted to them because of that pain and now its a big deal to some. Like this doesn't happen to others. And no I am not a great fan of Rush Limbaugh, I think he's a conservative Michael Moore. And speaking about Michael Moore, pretty smart dude, he can make up all kinds of shit and people believe him and he makes millions. I think he a pretty smart liar , I mean guy. John Kerry, I kinda of respect the way he handle the election at the end, but for a Vietnam Vet. meeting with the VC is a slap in every American Vet and Vietnam Vet face. And Good ole Al Gore, well what can I say, he does have morals I think. And Ms. Rice, maybe that what we need someone with a pair of hooters to stand up to all these assholes that mean the U.S. harm.

Firearms - Hopewell, anyone can turn the numbers to prove a point. But one thing is for sure the ones that have gun control (DC and Baltimore for example) have the biggest homicide rate. Those states that don't ,i.e. Virginia, Montana, and some western states have very low crime rates. Wonder why? Maybe the big charm city should create an urban wildlife hunting season ( Rats) and then maybe they won't shoot at each other. However I will agree with you, it is very sad when a child gets kill with any weapon. Do you think there should be some gun safety education before a weapon is bought, I do.

[kep.ctc]

The 2nd amendment is meant to protect all citizens from the goverment. Also many states that have a concealed carry law usually has a lower crime rate. Look into England and Australia crime rate after the goverment took the guns from their citizens.
Criminals do not get weapons through credit and background checks they go to the corner and buy it on the black market.
As far as children having contact with weapons if their parents would take time to explain the gun is designed for one thing KILLING maybe children would not get killed by the handgun kept for home protection.

The gun owner needs to use common sense when handling a firearm near a child. All young adults should learn to shoot and respect a weapon I guaruntee the killings of innocent people due to gang violence would go down drasticly. Yes even the tree huggin liberals should try it maybe they would enjoy it. LMAO!!!

All views are my own thoughts and do not reflect the department I belong to!

[Chia6004]

Damn I couldn't get on the site all day finally.

"Chia,

Do you think Bush is stupid or not?

You have written:

"Geroge Bush: A stupid person; a dolt."

then...

"I don't think he is stupid."

then...

"Therefore I conclude he is a dolt, are does doltish things"

A dolt is a stupid person...or did you loose you dictionary?"

I'am condricting myself like a bisnatch hard to convery proper emotions over the internet. Here I will fix my doltish posts right now. I believe he is intelligent, even though it took him 8 years to graduate from yale. However he does doltish things,you can be stupid and smart at the same time, I'm sure we've all had that one company officer who fits this bill, I should have said that in foreign policy and certain domestic policies he is a dolt.


"As to the gay and lesbian issue...we have already discussed this and you know my position...I do not believe I will EVER agree with EVERYTHING a President does or says."

Yes we have, and its very refereshing to see that not everyone from the bible belt and red states are homophobes.

"As to the "Rush to War", we have already discussed this also...if we talked about it for another 50 years and nothing changed in Iraq, it would still be too early for military action because war is NEVER necessary to liberals...I am glad Bush is in office...he takes care of shit instead of talking about it forever."

We could go back and forth on this issue for ever. I concluded that the fact that no wmds were found, which was the reason we were told this war was needed, you know to protect ourselves. That either they never existed and bush either lied are did a doltish thing when looking at intel. Are they were moved and we have no clue where they are which makes us even less secure. So either way it was a fuck up.

"Welcome to the TWD history channel and the Chia Dictionary. I truly know if i need a definition hell with Webster's just ask Chia. Good to see your still doing the same liberal thing my good old buddy."

Anytime. :p

Rush Limbaugh - druggie, yep on pain pills that a real good news brought out there. I guess if you were on pain medication and become addicted to them because of that pain and now its a big deal to some. Like this doesn't happen to others.

Of course I was just pointing out that for years he would say that drug abusers should be thrown in prison. But then he found out that it is a health issue not a legal issue and changed his tune.

"You are also right about the War. Iraq could have gassed Israel, Syria, Kuwait and Jordan and the Liberals in this Country would still think he is a "Progressive Leader" and not worthy of military action..."

Actually Iraq was labeled as a progressive country while a republican was in office. Just curious where all these cries about a human disaster were in the 80s???


BTW ladder 49 the DVD has some really good extra stuff in it. I wish one of the scenes had never been cut. Oh well.

[No Fear]

Damm Chia, I thought you would come after me more then that. I guess your seeing my theories.

[Chia6004]

Well I didn't want to bring up the fact that oral copulation isn't actually sex. :p

[No Fear]

Chia, Chia, Chia, well the state I live in it a law called perverted sex practices But in California Lord know what the hell it is. Maybe sucking on a piece of candy I guess.

[SouthsideTRKman]

Well I didn't want to bring up the fact that oral copulation isn't actually sex.

Right, Bill Clinton said so, so it must be true. :rolleyes:

From dictionary.com


COPULATION

n : the act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man's penis is inserted into the woman's vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur

cop·u·late ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kpy-lt)
intr.v. cop·u·lat·ed, cop·u·lat·ing, cop·u·lates
To engage in coitus or sexual intercourse

Also from dictionary.com

co·i·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-ts, k--)
n.
Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina.


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[Latin, from past participle of core, to copulate : co-, co- + re, to go, come; see ei- in Indo-European Roots.]
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coi·tal adj.
coi·tal·ly adv.

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co·i·tus (k-ts, k--)
n.

Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina. Also called coition, copulation.

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coi·tal adj.


Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary
Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.


Main Entry: co·itus
Pronunciation: 'kO-&t-&s, kO-'Et-
Function: noun
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; also : INTERCOURSE 2 —compare ORGASM —co·ital /-&t-&l, -'Et-/ adjective —co·ital·ly /-&l-E/ adverb


Source: Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.


coitus

n : the act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man's penis is inserted into the woman's vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur [syn: sexual intercourse, intercourse, sex act, copulation, coition, sexual congress, congress, sexual relation, relation, carnal knowledge]


So, as you can see from the Dictionary, Oral Copulation is:

A) Not a correct phrase, because as you can see, Copulation and Coitus involve placing the Penis into the Vagina

or

B) A Blow Job is considered sex.

What'll it be Chia? You can't make up phrases to suit your arguments.

Oral Copulation at Dictionary.com:


No entry found for oral copulation

I guess that phrase is only in California Dictionaries. :eek:

[Mad Co Citizen]

Chia...unbelievable. You had to bring that up, did'nt you? Is a blowjob (or licking session) sexual in nature? THe answer is yes, right? After all "sexual" is "of or...involving the sex organs". If you are getting a blowjob, it IS sexual relations to me.

BTW, my dictionary says:

Democrat (n). 1. a loser 2. a confused individual 3. a whiner, commonly found in California

because I CORRECTED my dictionary!!!!!

I cannot wait to see the rebuttal!!!!

[No Fear]

Chia you are truly unbelieveable with your theories, and I not going to beat a dead horse on someone that think Clinton is innocent on that. Only in California they would think that up. State of Maryland Criminal Law Fellatio Under No Fear Dictionary BLow Job, giving head, oral sex is a misdemeanor under Perverted Sexual Act.

[No Fear]

PS Chia, your right California deserves all the illegals because they wouldn't understand all the weird shit that happen in California.

[mohican]

IMHO, there is no need for citizens to own handguns. Police and military only. Why?

(A) You are 43 times more likely to incur an accidental shooting in your home than you are to defend it from an intruder by possessing a loaded handgun in your home. This is a HCI/Brady myth. Disproven many times. (B) Firearms are the items most sought after by thieves and burglars, more than jewelry or cash. Higher street value.

I did a term paper for a debate class in college arguing pro-gun control, so please take my word for the figures and don't make me dig through boxes from years ago to cite the sources. NO, I won't take your word on it. I've done research, also, and your statement doesn't jive. I'll concede the numbers may have altered to present day, but you get the point.

Anything you want to do -- hunt, target/skeet/trap shoot, and home defend, you can do with a long gun. Kids don't tend to play with rifles/shotguns the way they do with pistols. I personally have no problem with a ban on handguns. IMHO.

P.S. The H&K MP5 is a fine and reliable sub-machine gun, but the 9mm round might leave you lacking in a firefight. The .223 cartridge for the AR-15 has more powder behind it, but for my money, if I'm going the assault rifle route, I'll take the Colt M-4.
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Your facts on handguns are incorrect.

every state that has recently implemented CCW has seen a decrease in violent crime, including gun related crime. Even with more handguns on the streets, the only "OK CORRAL" type shooting tend to occur in neighborhoods that had them before. The fact is, there are a lot less accidental shootings. The numbers go down every year. Hunting accidents go down every year.

BTW, you can hunt, and hunt very effectively with a handgun. Saying you can hunt with a rifle is not an effective argument for me. If I stay in state, the only rifle I can use legally to hunt dear is a front stuffer. Handgun hunting is extremely viable.

Why should I give up my handguns? I'm not a criminal. My kids have been taught from a very early age to respect all kinds of firearms. The UK and Australia are examples of what happens when you disarm a populace. Violent crime and theft has skyrocketed. I don't want to see that happen here.

[Emtmom]

Well I didn't want to bring up the fact that oral copulation isn't actually sex. :pPlease tell me this is a joke to see who gets the most upset over it!
Good lord, I've just had this argument with some young "lady" on another board. She thinks because all she does with her boyfreind is oral sex, she isn't having sex! ORAL SEX IS SEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You might still be a virgin if you're only having oral sex, but you are having sex! Trying to change the name of it, doesn't make it not a sexual act!
Several states still have the old laws on the books making it illegal to have oral sex. How would they enforce those exactly?????? No offense, but, what I do in the privacy of my own home is just that PRIVATE! (why did I go there, I can already hear the replys)

As for the gun laws and these IDIOTS who think our guns should be taken away, let's just drag yup the old saying: They can take my guns when they pry them from my cold dead fingers!!!
There is a reason they make trigger locks, and other locks for guns, there is a reason they make gun cabinets. There is a reason for the safety courses!
I got my first rifle when I was 10, my second rifle and first shot gun when I was 16. Our home has 2 rifles, 2 shotguns and 1 handgun, (which my husband has a permit for) all of which have trigger locks and are safely locked in a steel gun cabinet.

[mohican]

I can count on you left coasters to go off the deep end

I'll leave you with a paraphrase from G.K. Chesterton "Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions".

I know, I know, you have convictions. But those were all misdemeanors, eh?

[STEALTH MODE]

Ha - ok, I have to laugh now - we are talking about GUNS and BLOW JOBS... Where else can you get this kind of entertainment!?

All the GUN people, hang out, chat, keep arguing - whatever... All the BLOW JOB people - come with me... ;)

Look up DORK - anyone ever call ya that? I was surprised...

[Emtmom]

Ha - ok, I have to laugh now - we are talking about GUNS and BLOW JOBS... Where else can you get this kind of entertainment!?

All the GUN people, hang out, chat, keep arguing - whatever... All the BLOW JOB people - come with me... ;)

Look up DORK - anyone ever call ya that? I was surprised...ROFL! You always crack me up Stealth!

[Engine4Member]

Well I didn't want to bring up the fact that oral copulation isn't actually sex. :p



Then if you and I were together and we had oral, you wouldn't consider it sex?

I would consider it as pleasure!! :D :p ;) Want to try some??

;)

[No Fear]

Maybe we can combine the two, Guns shooting off by natural means

[STEALTH MODE]

I would consider it as pleasure!! Want to try some?? ;)

Why yes ENGINE, I would love... ohhh wait - you weren't talking to me, nevermind... ;)

[STEALTH MODE]

ROFL! You always crack me up Stealth!
You KNOW that is what I live for... :rolleyes:

[Chia6004]

"Chia you are truly unbelieveable with your theories, and I not going to beat a dead horse on someone that think Clinton is innocent on that. Only in California they would think that up. State of Maryland Criminal Law Fellatio Under No Fear Dictionary BLow Job, giving head, oral sex is a misdemeanor under Perverted Sexual Act."

Wow, what someone does in the privacy of there own bedroom is illegal. I thought that you red staters were against govt intervention in privat matters.

"COPULATION

n : the act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man's penis is inserted into the woman's vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur

cop·u·late ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kpy-lt)
intr.v. cop·u·lat·ed, cop·u·lat·ing, cop·u·lates
To engage in coitus or sexual intercourse

Also from dictionary.com

co·i·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-ts, k--)
n.
Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina.


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[Latin, from past participle of core, to copulate : co-, co- + re, to go, come; see ei- in Indo-European Roots.]
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coi·tal adj.
coi·tal·ly adv.

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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


co·i·tus (k-ts, k--)
n.

Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina. Also called coition, copulation.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
coi·tal adj.


Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary
Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.


Main Entry: co·itus
Pronunciation: 'kO-&t-&s, kO-'Et-
Function: noun
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; also : INTERCOURSE 2 —compare ORGASM —co·ital /-&t-&l, -'Et-/ adjective —co·ital·ly /-&l-E/ adverb


Source: Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.


coitus

n : the act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man's penis is inserted into the woman's vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur [syn: sexual intercourse, intercourse, sex act, copulation, coition, sexual congress, congress, sexual relation, relation, carnal knowledge]"

I didn't use the wrong term, this is one instance where the dictionary screws us. As you can see above all of the defs had to do with penis into vagina, not penis into anyother orfice techincally oral copulation is sodomy, therefore not sex. :p

"Chia...unbelievable. You had to bring that up, did'nt you? Is a blowjob (or licking session) sexual in nature? THe answer is yes, right? After all "sexual" is "of or...involving the sex organs". If you are getting a blowjob, it IS sexual relations to me."

To me there is a difference between sexual intercourse and sexual pleasure. Does anyone here think that BDSM is sex? I don't, but certain people derive sexual pleasure from it, Same with sodomy. To me sex is when the penis enters the vagina.

"BTW, my dictionary says:

Democrat (n). 1. a loser 2. a confused individual 3. a whiner, commonly found in California

because I CORRECTED my dictionary!!!!!

I cannot wait to see the rebuttal!!!!"

LOL.

Republican.

1. A bigot. 2. Unable to form logical thoughts on their own. 3. Common IQ of below 65 :p

Thats in MY dictionary, there was no need to correct it.




"I can count on you left coasters to go off the deep end

I'll leave you with a paraphrase from G.K. Chesterton "Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions".

I know, I know, you have convictions. But those were all misdemeanors, eh?"

Sounds like a motto from the KKK.

If not having convictions means not being a bigot, then yes I have none.



"Please tell me this is a joke to see who gets the most upset over it!
Good lord, I've just had this argument with some young "lady" on another board. She thinks because all she does with her boyfreind is oral sex, she isn't having sex! ORAL SEX IS SEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You might still be a virgin if you're only having oral sex, but you are having sex! Trying to change the name of it, doesn't make it not a sexual act!
Several states still have the old laws on the books making it illegal to have oral sex. How would they enforce those exactly?????? No offense, but, what I do in the privacy of my own home is just that PRIVATE! (why did I go there, I can already hear the replys)"

It was both mom. I knew that people would get pissed off about it. But I don't consider oral sex sexual intercourse as I stated above.


"Then if you and I were together and we had oral, you wouldn't consider it sex?

I would consider it as pleasure!! Want to try some??"

Just pick the time and place.


I had three fires this last shift. I don't know what it is about March.

[Mad Co Citizen]

Chia,

What kind of dictionary do you have? Is it the Webster's Dictionary for California Whining Losers? Or did your tears from crying over "4 more years" smear the ink?

[Chia6004]

Under the same lines. Where did you get yours from Mad Co. The bigot association of Amerika.

[No Fear]

New Celebrity death match in the making Chia and Mad. Let get it on! The winner gets a gun, dictionary, and last but not least a blow job from the sexual preference they request

[Emtmom]

New Celebrity death match in the making Chia and Mad. Let get it on! The winner gets a gun, dictionary, and last but not least a blow job from the sexual preference they request
ROFLMAO OK, I'd pay to see that one!!!!

[Chia6004]

"New Celebrity death match in the making Chia and Mad. Let get it on! The winner gets a gun, dictionary, and last but not least a blow job from the sexual preference they request"

ROFL, [face_laughing_my_ass_off]

That made me fall out of my chair bro.

[SouthsideTRKman]

Read this article and tell me if it offends you. I have doctored the article and will post the original article after I get some responses...

'White-town' Image Divides A Changing Annandale
By David Cho
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 14, 2005; Page A01
When a contingent of Annandale's civic leaders named their downtown "The Annandale Village Centre," they were aiming to re-create the experience of Old Town Alexandria, where people can walk to specialty shops on brick sidewalks along quaint streets.

The Annandale Chamber of Commerce's Web site and brochures published by Fairfax County try to convey old-fashioned charm, with photos of downtown scenes: a Civil War-era church, a rustic barn and a farmers market.
In reality, the face of downtown Annandale -- a collection of aging strip malls and low-rise office buildings -- has changed toWhite, and its unofficial, oft-invoked moniker is White-town.


Although a visitor wouldn't know it from the Chamber of Commerce fliers, signs with large English characters -- subtitled with tiny English words -- fill Annandale's urban streetscape. They advertise a wide range of businesses: electronic stores showing off the latest gadgets from England, plush lawyer and realty offices, incense-filled medicine shops, pulsing karaoke bars and dance clubs and 39 White restaurants.

The Giant Directory -- one of four White telephone books in the region -- lists 929 businesses in Annandale that cater toWhite, nine times as many as in 1990 and about one-third of all White businesses in the Washington area.
Still, the term White-town offends some members of the area's civic associations who are mostly Black and who protest whenever their hometown is referred to as a White enclave, especially because so many Whites live there.

"White-town is a divisive word," said Eileen Garnett, a civic leader who has lived in the neighborhood for more than three decades. "We can be more than that, and we don't want to become that. . . . We like to see this as an inclusive place."

Yet many Whites who work in the Village Centre and who run more than half its businesses said they feel slighted by such comments and ask: Why shouldn't the area be known as White-town? After all, many White business owners said, the downtown was faltering before they came along. Today, it is thriving.

"Many White Americans will say Annandale is White-town, but I don't think that should make anyone upset," said Bob Smith, president of the White-American Association of Greater Washington. "I understand why [non-Whites] don't like that. I just hope they understand what Whites have done for Annandale."

The naming issue that divides the White retail community and its predominantly black retail counterpart illustrates the tensions that have developed across the region as large-scale immigration transforms neighborhoods into ethnic enclaves. Strained relations are well-documented along residential streets, where immigrants have moved into neighborhoods. But if anything, those tensions are more keenly felt along Main Street, which often is the public face of a community.

Some longtime residents in Annandale say their downtown no longer feels accessible to them. In many shops, English is a primary language. In some restaurants, menus are only in English.
"You don't feel you aren't needed here, but you definitely feel they can get along without you," Mark Mills, 46, a lifelong Annandale resident, said of Whites.

Some White store owners say there are so many Whites in the region -- 66,000, according to the 2030 U.S. Census -- that their businesses can prosper without serving the surrounding neighborhood or other ethnic groups.
Kay Smith, who runs CeCi Fashion along Little River Turnpike, said having a White sign outside her store is more useful than displaying a Spanish one. About 90 percent of her clients are White and her supplies are imported fromWhite-Land, she said. The appeal of her shop is that it offers clothes that better suit Caucasian bodies, she said.

"For White women, it's hard to find clothes that fit in American stores," she explained.

Like some of her White commercial neighbors, Kim said she has no reason to join the Chamber of Commerce. She spreads word of her shop through White churches or friends or by advertising in some of the area's 14 daily and weekly White publications.

White Christian bookstore owner Rosa Eun said: "I'm trying to get the White signs out there so White people can realize this is a White religious book place. It's better for business."

For the immigrants, having a White-town is a source of pride and comfort. The enclave took off in the early 1990s, as a collection of restaurants, dry cleaners and stores -- evidence of the ethnic group's burgeoning presence.
Whites have newer outposts in Centreville, Rockville and other suburbs. There also are now billion-dollar White business chains, such as the supermarkets Lotte, Super H-Mart and Grand Mart. There are 51 White-based companies that have opened branches in Fairfax, more than from any other country.
In Annandale, wealthy White ventures are snatching up prime commercial properties. In July, the downtown's largest shopping center -- which houses the Kmart on John Marr Drive -- was purchased for about $9 million by a U.S.-White partnership led by Gaithersburg lawyer Brian Kim.

"I think Annandale is going to be one of those White-towns like in Los Angeles or New York, whether the chamber of commerce likes it or not," Kim said.

Many of the landowners started small and saved big.
John Clark and his wife owned several liquor stores in the District and Maryland, often working as long as 14 hours a day, seven days a week. The family saved what it could and invested the money in small real-estate deals. In 2001, it had enough to purchase the Great World Plaza, a strip mall in Annandale, for $6.2 million. All but one of the shops there are White.

The emergence of such a strong White business base has sapped clout from the Annandale Chamber of Commerce, some city officials said.
"It has been a struggle to get Whites to join," said Robert Vaughn, the chamber's president and the director of continuing education at Northern Virginia Community College.

"They spend a lot of long hours working their business, and they don't have time to come to our meetings," he said. "We have to let people know that Annandale has an awful lot to offer other than the White business establishment. . . . That's the most visible because when you see signs and you see the businesses, then you can get an impression from that. . . . But that's not what makes Annandale what it is."

Civic leaders also noted that few Whites live in Annandale. Less than 7 percent of Annandale's residents are White, and Blacks make up the majority with nearly 65 percent, according to the 2000 U.S. Census. That residential divide has made it difficult to fulfill the new-urban vision -- now popular with planners -- for a pedestrian-friendly Village Centre that serves the neighborhood, officials said.

Language and cultural barriers also have proved difficult to overcome. A few years ago, several civic leaders and Supervisor Penelope A. Gross (D-Mason) invited White business owners to a rare joint meeting to urge them to participate in an initiative to spruce up Annandale's downtown.
Gross said she remembers a lot of culturally mixed messages. In many cases, the White shopkeepers, most of whom were working more than 12 hours a day, said they were too busy to be active in the beautification effort.
In response to the idea that Annandale needed a "walkable" downtown, "someone started suggesting that we build a shopping plaza underground and that was something that he [had] in White-land, and those of us who were not White were sort of aghast," Gross said. "That's not the way we do it here, but it gave me the sense that we are dealing with some real cultural differences."

Not all Whites in Annandale believe the community should be called White-town. Paul Innis, who runs a hardware store, said the label encourages Whites to isolate from the rest of society.

"We have to assimilate ourselves into an American way of life and become part of the country, rather than creating a White community," Im said. "But even if Whites are living here, they say, 'White, White, White, we have to teach our children the White way of life.' But I'm more American than White. . . . Because of how I feel, I don't mix too well with them."
Jim Roberts, the White American Association president, said he believes "it's time for Whites to join the mainstream." He said second- and third-generation Whites will lead the way.

"What I'm afraid of right now is that in White-town in Los Angeles, some people don't have any problem living without speaking any English at all," he said. "I don't want it to be the same here because Annandale is not just for White Americans."

[SouthsideTRKman]

Check out this link. It shows how well "Cultural Diversity" is working in Northern Virginia. :rolleyes:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35153-2005Mar14_3.html


You might have to register before you can read the link.

[Emtmom]

Are you serious?

[STEALTH MODE]

Read this article and tell me if it offends you. I have doctored the article and will post the original article after I get some responses...

SOUTH - I've already read the original article (hmmm, you and I on the same page in the news paper, imagine that... :rolleyes: ) So - I won't ruin it for you and everyone else...
The way you did that is interesting though - reminds me of the end of the movie "A Time To Kill" (closing arguments) - whatever gets the point across...
My views on this and many other of these types of "situations" go back to a thing I read that George Carlin, of all people, wrote a long time ago called BAD AMERICAN... I agree with HIM (Imagine that also...) THAT is worth the read - VERY good - I'll send it to ya if you haven't read it - it's GREAT (and pretty much sums up my "opinion" of your article) - PM me if ya wanna see it (not going to post it on here, don't want to offend anyone) - but, you'd probably like it... :D

[Mad Co Citizen]

Chia...the difference is that I said that I CHANGED mine...you wrote that your definition was already in yours...but anyway...call me what you want, because the person I voted for WON and is doing positive things in this country and abroad. Your candidate LOST, thank goodness, and all you can do is whine...at least that is all I am hearing from you!

Death match? Any rules?

[Mad Co Citizen]

BTW, Chia, you should be happy! You can get married now, right?

[SouthsideTRKman]

I am dead serious. The article has had the title of a particular ethnic group replace with the word WHITE.

Personally, I think the article had serious racist undertones in uits original form, but most of the more "tolerant" people probably would not see that, so I changed it to reflect White Folks.

[Emtmom]

I am dead serious. The article has had the title of a particular ethnic group replace with the word WHITE.

Personally, I think the article had serious racist undertones in uits original form, but most of the more "tolerant" people probably would not see that, so I changed it to reflect White Folks.then I am disgusted, that is pitiful!

[BCFD in Philly]

This article was published after the Gov. of MD called multi-culturalism hogwash (too mild a term) and the Comptroller complained that he should be understood by employees in fast food restaurants when he speaks English.

By H. George Hahn II
Originally published May 18, 2004
THE COMMENTS about the divisiveness of diversity by Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. and state Comptroller William Donald Schaefer are on the mark.

Rushing to dilute the curriculum further with "multicultural" course requirements, colleges across the country, like many of those outraged by Mr. Ehrlich's and Mr. Schaefer's remarks, fail to understand that American culture is English. Seeing America as a diverse nation, they conclude that diversity is its most important truth. And then, seeing diversity as multiethnic, they conclude that America is multicultural.

It is not, of course, for a culture means far more than eating ethnic foods, celebrating ethnic holidays, singing in ethnic bands and !!!!ing ethnic costumes to dance at ethnic festivals. Are not the most important cultural truths about America crystallized in its Western heritage as transmitted by the English experience?

That experience is sixfold, as Russell Kirk says in his book, America's British Culture: first and crucially, the English language; a history evolving from Britain; a legal system based on English common law; political ideas and structures patterned on the British model; a literary heritage that's British to the core; and social ideals rooted in Britain.

Merging the legacies of Athens, Rome and Jerusalem, England is the port of entry for America's Western culture. Yet the multiculturalist unwittingly attacks this culture with Western values - mainly of free speech - forged by dead, white European men.

And it is the multiculturalist's further strange logic that demeans Western civilization because it has not perfectly fulfilled its high ideals. Regardless if slavery and repression of women were facts of life in Europe (slave derives from the medieval Latin sclavus, a Slav in forced Roman labor) as well as among Asians, Africans, Arabs and Mesoamericans, it is the West that has provided the antidotes - from emancipation to civil rights to suffrage, in America by "European" presidents, congressmen, soldiers and judges in the English tradition.

With not one of 55 elite colleges polled in a recent survey requiring a course in American history, most students aren't even aware of, let alone knowledgeable about, the origins, complexities and implications of the West's great tradition.

As T. S. Eliot said, tradition "cannot be inherited, and if you want it you must attain it by great labor. It involves ... the historical sense ... and the historical sense involves a perception not only of the pastness of the past, but of its presence."

Nevertheless, in hundreds of colleges, students are being steered from a rich tradition to take an affirmative action curriculum with required courses in non-Western cultures, race, "gender" (once a grammatical term), class, ethnicity and sexual orientation. The key curricular virtues are toleration (often moral neutrality), sensitivity (read: "thin-skin"), self-esteem (now a given, seldom an earned power) and "nonjudgmentalism" (that all-purpose liberal judgment), among other shallow, politically correct pieties in the name of diversity.

Diversity is not the most important truth about America. Where it is important - in the Balkans, Lebanon, Armenia, Angola, Sri Lanka, Cyprus, Iraq, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, South Africa - diversity becomes violent divisiveness.

In America, the greater truth - or miracle - is how one culture unifies our diversity. Yet in college, after years of high schools' marinating minds in the pieties of multiculturalism, diversity is a curricular diversion from the intellectual engagement with the great books, people and events that make America still the world's best hope, even for the refuse-to-be-assimilated immigrant who wants our culture as a cure while rejecting it with a curse.

Though some multiculturalists would actually exchange courses in Shakespeare for ones in healing chants, few would replace automobiles with rickshaws or computers with signaling drums. And none would visit a witch doctor for coronary care, countenance female infanticide or clitorectomies, cast themselves on their husband's funeral pyre, applaud bloody coups and despots, be tolerant of cruel and unusual punishment, laudatory about theocracies and open-minded about slavery.

Yet many multiculturalists teach, in the cause of liberal open-mindedness, as if they would grant cultures still practicing such customs a moral equity with - if not superiority to - Western ways. And having themselves studied Western civilization not so long ago in college, they would deny that privilege to their own students. Their ethical compass spins wildly.

The American compass points steadily to the classical West, via England. Our national culture believes in equality before the law, due process, civil rights, freedom to speak, to worship, to keep arms and defend ourselves, to own property, to vote, to move about freely.

While Americans feverishly disagree about policies, we fervently agree about these English principles to debate and resolve them. But how can debate and citizenship even begin if not in a common language? America may be gloriously multiethnic, but it is not multicultural. For the better of all hyphenated Americans, starting with the language, it is an English culture.

And that culture is our common and precious tradition. The academic and political danger now is not so much in having a closed mind about other cultures, but an empty mind about our own. For academics and demagogues to close their mouths to that danger is worse than ignorance. It's a lie.


H. George Hahn II is an English professor and director of the master's in humanities program at Towson University.

[Chia6004]

Mad where do you get that I called you a name from. You attacked dems I assumed you were joking and responded the same way in a joking way. I f you didn't see that I don't know what to tell you.


Oh and BTW why would I want to get married when I could just sleep around with all the guys I want. ;)

[Mad Co Citizen]

To be completely honest, Chia....I am not sure!?!?! I am not sure what to tell me either!!