This should fry everyone.

[Chia6004]

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3075660

WTF does fox have on Dubya. Every time Mexico wants something this president gives it.

I mean he wont lift one god dammed finger to get over 300 mexicans living in mexico who murdered american citizens including that fucking cop killer into american custody to stand trial. But were going to say that these people should be allowed to have there sentences re exaimned. So because a phone call wasn't made that somehow changes the fact that they still killed these people?

The really strange thing is that this president has told the world court to go pound sand saying that they have no authority over the american justice system but when mexicans are involved all of a sudden that argument changes WTF.

Another four years of this shit.


More Shit. I wonder how long until Bushy Bush puts a stop to this.

This has made major news here in cali. The mexican govt talking about sueing the american citizens which would prevent them from carrying out the minuteman project just annoys the hell out of me. There is something going on behind the scenes, I only can wonder though.

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050308-093947-6724r

[Emtmom]

Would you really expect anything more? We have to protect the illegal aliens! It's time for the Govt. to stand up and start tossing these illegals out on thier ears. Let those who have broken laws go through the process just like everyone else who breaks laws. Does Mexico have an army that G.W. thinks is going to help us in Iraq?????

[Mad Co Citizen]

Your problem is not with G Dubs...it is with politics in nature. I thought you 'blues' wanted to improve international relations? Respect international law...respect human rights?

I do not disagree with you...I say fry 'em up and the minuteman project should be hands off UNTIL something happens...afterall, this is the US of A, right - innocent until proven guilty, right.

As far as you comment: "Another four years of this shit." Please, do us a favor, get another box of tissues and quit whining.

BTW, the whole country does not revolve around California

[Emtmom]

I thought you 'blues' wanted to improve international relations? Respect international law...respect human rights?Is there something wrong with respecting human rights, when the person/country earns it? Why is it that all the debates are split with blue/red, or liberal/conservative? Is it not possible to agree with both sides on different issues?

I do not disagree with you...I say fry 'em up and the minuteman project should be hands off UNTIL something happens...afterall, this is the US of A, right - innocent until proven guilty, right.That's how the judiscial system is supposed to work, innocent till proven guilty! No matter if you were born here or not!


BTW, the whole country does not revolve around CaliforniaI think the reason this is a BIG issue in Calif, is because there are so many Mexicans crossing the border and being given not only state aid, but Govt. aid. YES, ILLEGAL ALIENS are being given state and govt. aid! YET, there are AMERICAN born citizens starving, because they can't get help! How exactly does that work?

[No Fear]

Well if the California Democratic Gov. did not allow all the illegals to obtain drivers license out there would be less of a problem. Wouldn't you think. That was going on well before Arnold got into office. I think it pretty amusing that you guys think this is G.W. fault. I guess this never happen before he came into office.

As far as the starving Americans, I can see both sides of the coin. Hard to believe I agree with ya , huh mom? I base this on some of American Homeless or a better word to damm lazy to get a job people. It is these people who will work for a week or two then quit 50 million jobs a year or there looking for a free hand out. The paper does have a help wanted section doesn't it? And Mom not to bust your bubble Hon, but these same people are also getting food stamps and aid also. However on the other side of the coin, I agree we have to take care of Americans first and then worry about everyone else later. I agree 100 %. The people I think we really need to concentrate on is our children. There should be plenty of aid for the abuse mothers and children that have to flee their homes and go into hiding due to being associated with a violent male. These are the people that struggle. Every holiday I make sure that I give these type of agencies toys for the kids, supplies and money. They don't have and option, they need help. But as far as the homeless sitting around taken a sip of wine and just plain to damm lazy to get a job, who have that option , shame on them.

[Emtmom]

Well if the California Democratic Gov. did not allow all the illegals to obtain drivers license out there would be less of a problem. Wouldn't you think. That was going on well before Arnold got into office. I think it pretty amusing that you guys think this is G.W. fault. I guess this never happen before he came into office. I don't think it's G.W's fault, I think it's the state and the govt. agencies that allow it! The change has to come from Calif. and it's state agencies.

As far as the starving Americans, I can see both sides of the coin. Hard to believe I agree with ya , huh mom? I base this on some of American Homeless or a better word to damm lazy to get a job people. It is these people who will work for a week or two then quit 50 million jobs a year or there looking for a free hand out. The paper does have a help wanted section doesn't it? And Mom not to bust your bubble Hon, but these same people are also getting food stamps and aid also. However on the other side of the coin, I agree we have to take care of Americans first and then worry about everyone else later. I agree 100 %. The people I think we really need to concentrate on is our children. There should be plenty of aid for the abuse mothers and children that have to flee their homes and go into hiding due to being associated with a violent male. These are the people that struggle. Every holiday I make sure that I give these type of agencies toys for the kids, supplies and money. They don't have and option, they need help. But as far as the homeless sitting around taken a sip of wine and just plain to damm lazy to get a job, who have that option , shame on them.I'll agree that SOME of them are people that are just to lazy to work. But, there are several who can't find work, and some still that have both parents working and still can not make ends meet. Example, those who make 5.00 a month too much to get assitance, but can't feed their families after paying the monthly bills.
As far as the families leaving abusive situations, I agree we should help them. BUT, let's not leave out the men who live in that situation too, there are many abusive wives and mothers too! (I know hard to believe that comes from a woman)
NAH, not hard to believe we can agree on things!

[Mad Co Citizen]

Mom: You wrote: "Is there something wrong with respecting human rights, when the person/country earns it? Why is it that all the debates are split with blue/red, or liberal/conservative? Is it not possible to agree with both sides on different issues?"

No, nothing wrong with respecting human rights. How am I supposed to agree with both sides on different issues?

I actually agree with Chia, except for her constant whining about G Dubs. I say fry 'em up on death row and beef up the borders...leave the Minutemen alone!!!

[AC302]

For starters it seems that our "respected" leaders in DC have been kowtowing to Hispanic issues ever since the Census determined that they were the largest minority group in the US. It also seems that the "air pollution" in DC has rotted the brains of our Senators and Congressmen and made them forget the definition of words like "illegal". It seems to me that right now some of these "immigrants" have more rights than we do. What a bunch of crap! In my book people who sneak into this country at the boarders are conducting an invasion and an invasion is an act of aggression (war). Lets shoot them at the boarders like we would any other invading force and that will help solve the problem. Now realistically the US and Mexican governments need to work together ON STOPPING SMUGGLING of illegals NOT encouraging them. :mad:

JUST MY OWN LITTLE PIECE OF FIRST AMMENDMENT PROTECTED RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

[Emtmom]

How am I supposed to agree with both sides on different issuesOK so my fingers got ahead of my brain! LOL
What I meant was we can hold different views on different issues. They are not always liberal, or conservative! Just because we agree with a liberal view point on one issue doesn't mean we don't agree with a conservative view on something else.

[Chia6004]

"Your problem is not with G Dubs...it is with politics in nature. I thought you 'blues' wanted to improve international relations? Respect international law...respect human rights?"

Respecting human rights and improving international relations has nothing to do with this issue. They are murders and deserve tobe put to death. The firs national who tried this card. His murders were evil beyond description and because he didn't get to talk to the mexican consulate hes somehow guilty.

"I do not disagree with you...I say fry 'em up and the minuteman project should be hands off UNTIL something happens...afterall, this is the US of A, right - innocent until proven guilty, right."

Well atleast we agree. I'm in favor of the minuteman project and I hope it continues to grow.

"As far as you comment: "Another four years of this shit." Please, do us a favor, get another box of tissues and quit whining."

It pisses me the hell off. The majority of americans are against giving amnesty to illegals, which dubya keeps trying to do, I don't recall Clinton trying to pull that one off. He does anything he can to appease mexico and that frys me.

There was some woman from a republican think tank that gave a interview saying that the amnesty issue is a good thing because it would make border security easier. WTF. I couldn't believe I heard that crap. The promblems in cali are just a glitch. The east coast republicans need to go back to that hole they came from. I need to specify a little more. She was from a republican think tank in New York that was trying to convience us that illegal Immigration isn't that bad, its actually good for the economy and the affect to cali is minimal. Thats why I say that these arrogant east coast republicans need to go back to that hole they came from. To them cali may as well be a foreign country because our promblems sure don't mean a damn thing to them.

She was also a part of the group that had the Temecula illegal roundups called off because they were in humane. :mad:

"BTW, the whole country does not revolve around California"

Illegal immigration is a bigger issue here then in say. Gerogia.

"Well if the California Democratic Gov. did not allow all the illegals to obtain drivers license out there would be less of a problem. Wouldn't you think. That was going on well before Arnold got into office. I think it pretty amusing that you guys think this is G.W. fault. I guess this never happen before he came into office."

Do I blame dubya for everything about illegal immigration no. I blame him for lying about increasing the funding to the Border patrol. Yeah it was a lie. I will put 20k more border patrol agents on the job. I guess he meant to say 200 because thats all the increase in funding will allow the border patrol to hire.

While not increasing funding to the border patrol he is trying to grant amnesty to illegals. Which over 76% of americans oppose. That is his guest worker program if you don't know.

There are so many things wrong with border security. Under funded, under staffed, only mexicans are taking into custody and held, yep thats right if your nationality is anything other then mexican you are told to come back in a week for a hearing etc etc. I know this isn't all GWs fault but I thought homeland security was a big deal to this president.

My first rant was about the presidents handling on certain issues, not illegal immigration entirely. So please I wasn't blameing all of illegal immigration of Bush. Just amnesty, this examintaion of possible abuses etc.

[STEALTH MODE]

Ohhhhhh for the love of God.... whew - breathe! :rolleyes:

[Mad Co Citizen]

Have you ever been to Gainesville, Georgia? Miami, Florida? Illegal immigration is NOT a California problem...it is an American problem and I agree...more needs to be done with stricter enforcement.

Having grown up in Maryland, I take exception to you wishing east coast republicans to go back to their holes (I do not consider myself a republican, but farther from a democrat). Free speech, baby! Once again, the world does NOT revolve around California.

One person from some think tank does not represent everyone, you know?

[Chia6004]

Yeah I know but it just pisses me off. I kinda figured I would offend someone thats why I tried to back pettle abit with that additonal info. Those east coast republicans need to go back to that hole they came from better. :)

I'm not saying illegal immigration doesn't take place in other states but when you have entire towns converted into mexican nationals, if they are all legal I don't mind, you can say you have as bad an issue as we do. Santa Ana, Sante Fe Springs, Whittier is going that way etc etc. Alot more people are moving inland to get away and we are about to have a mexican socialist as mayor of LA.

[No Fear]

Chia you talk about east coast republicans, what about the west coast, I give a hint democratic gov. (before Arnold) that wanted to give them drivers license and welcome them to the great state of California.

[Mad Co Citizen]

Chia,

Have you ever been to Gainesville, Georgia?
Have you ever been to Miami (NOT South Beach)?
What about the clusters in and around just about EVERY city in this country?

No doubt that California is "special", but the whole country does NOT revolve around the state. Just because some Californians want to spend most of their time protesting and whining (more than people from other states) does NOT mean that your problems are more important than anyone else's.

As far as going back to the holes they came from...the answer is no and I am sure those that you are referring to would say that YOU should crawl back in your whole for 4 years...afterall, your candidate lost and you sound miserable; maybe a little hibernation would do you some good. Some would probably say that they hope the state would fall in to the Pacific.

[Chia6004]

"Chia,

Have you ever been to Gainesville, Georgia?
Have you ever been to Miami (NOT South Beach)?
What about the clusters in and around just about EVERY city in this country?

No doubt that California is "special", but the whole country does NOT revolve around the state. Just because some Californians want to spend most of their time protesting and whining (more than people from other states) does NOT mean that your problems are more important than anyone else's.

As far as going back to the holes they came from...the answer is no and I am sure those that you are referring to would say that YOU should crawl back in your whole for 4 years...afterall, your candidate lost and you sound miserable; maybe a little hibernation would do you some good. Some would probably say that they hope the state would fall in to the Pacific."

I'm not saying that the whole country revolves around Cali, we should have a biger say in the way the country is run seeing as how we have 10% of the population. All that I'm saying is that are issues with illegal immigration are larger then anywhere else.

Think of it like pollution. Pollution is a national promblem, but So Cal has some of the worst air quality in the nation. Where I'm from constantly ranks either 1st are 2nd in poor air in the entire country. Thats not saying that Gerogia doesn't have a air quality issue, but So Cals IS WORSE.

You still haven't figured out what the go back to their holes comments refers too. It means get the FUCK out of Cali and stop trying to say that Illegal Immigration isnt that bad of a promblem.


Yes No Fear Davis was a moron he was just trying to get votes. Which me thinks is what G W is doing with trying to grant illegals ammnesty.

[Mad Co Citizen]

Chia,

If you have a limb that is causing too much trouble...keeps causing pain, too much invasion of infection, and is hopelessly doomed to constant disaster..., you cut it off, right?!?! Maybe we should just amputate California!!!!!

I take it your answers are no and no. You have not been to Gainesville, GA and Miami, FL, right? Then you have NO idea what you are talking about.

I have nothing else to say until you have traveled this country and seen the plight of ALL Americans. Cali may be "special", but there is nothing special about California except the weather (which is nothing to complain about)...and YES I have spent quite a bit of time in your state (minus the North).

[Chia6004]

"Chia,

If you have a limb that is causing too much trouble...keeps causing pain, too much invasion of infection, and is hopelessly doomed to constant disaster..., you cut it off, right?!?! Maybe we should just amputate California!!!!!

I take it your answers are no and no. You have not been to Gainesville, GA and Miami, FL, right? Then you have NO idea what you are talking about.

I have nothing else to say until you have traveled this country and seen the plight of ALL Americans. Cali may be "special", but there is nothing special about California except the weather (which is nothing to complain about)...and YES I have spent quite a bit of time in your state (minus the North)."

Your questions seemed reduant. Have I been to Florida No. Have I been to Gerogia yes. Have I been to Indy and Az and 35 other states yes. I've been to the detoriating (sp) towns in the midwest seen the faultering economies the lack of progression. So please STFU and stop putting words in my mouth.

I think I've said it about 35 times now I guess I will say it once more. I know every state has a promblem with illegal immigration but if you think that gerogia, population of 8,684,715, persons of hispanic descent 5.3% of the entire population is as bad as california, population 35,484,453, persons of hispanic descent 32.4% of the entire population you are mistaken.

Oh yeah Gainsville, pop 25k, percent of the population with hispanic origin 33.2% so you think that about 7,000 people is as bad as say Santa Ana California, pop 337,977, percent of the population with hispanic descent 76.1% which is about 260k. You are once again wrong.

http://www.census.gov/

[STEALTH MODE]

I think I've said it about 35 times now
YES, yes you have...

I guess I will say it once more.
PLEASE don't...

No offense, but... did you stick an Energizer battery up your butt? ;)

[Chia6004]

lol. None taken stealth, your like the ref on the boards. Trying to keep everyone from getting too out of control.

EDIT: The real bad typos.

[STEALTH MODE]

lol. None taken stealth, your like the ref on the boards. \Ttrying to keep everyone from gettong too out of control.


Whew - thanks for not taking the offensive (some "people" jump right on the defensive bandwagon) - If I'm the REF, I'm gonna have to put you in violation of the "LONG POST"... can't keep up! ;)

[Chia6004]

Ok fine. *goes to the sin bin for two minutes*

[STEALTH MODE]

Ok fine. *goes to the sin bin for two minutes*

Ewww - get out of there! I think HOG is in there... ;)

You can come out (I'm gonna have to keep ya on probation though... :p )

[Chia6004]

Really oh shit.

I think I need a shower.

[No Fear]

Now thats more like it , short and sweet, no definitions. See Chia I agree with yoiu on that my old friend

[STEALTH MODE]

Now thats more like it , short and sweet, no definitions. See Chia I agree with yoiu on that my old friend

Ahem FEAR... who do you think got Chia that way (short and sweet)... thank you, thank you... ;)

[No Fear]

Stealth , your the man, I must say I was shocked by the shortness of his post.

[BCFD in Philly]

Stealth , your the man, I must say I was shocked by the shortness of his post.

Perhaps someone "slipped" Chia an Energizer that is more "conservative" in its output of energy.

[STEALTH MODE]

Perhaps someone "slipped" Chia an Energizer that is more "conservative" in its output of energy.

Good one BCFD! :rolleyes:

[Mad Co Citizen]

Chia,

Refresh my memory...are we talking about illegals or those of hispanic descent? There is a difference, you know?

Do you really want me to STFU? That does not seem consistent with your views. You are just wrong about how much worse things are in Cali...admit it!

[Chia6004]

"Chia,

Refresh my memory...are we talking about illegals or those of hispanic descent? There is a difference, you know?

Do you really want me to STFU? That does not seem consistent with your views. You are just wrong about how much worse things are in Cali...admit it!"

Wow the igonorance. Ok Ill try another way. I throw that version in there because 1.) It shows that those are the places where hispanics are immigrating to. They almost always move to places with a strong hispanic culture. 2.) Santa Ana was transformed in just over two decades, if you really think that all of those people immigrated here legally, well then, logic can not prevail in this discussion. 3.) So are you gonna try and tell me that gainsevelle gerogia has 260k illegal immigrants to match Santa Ana? If SA has 260k people of hispanic descent how many more illegals that didn't get on the census do you think there are huh?

Oh and are figures show a result of immigration, alot of the mexicans here are US born there parents however were illegal alot of my friends fit that description.

I want you to STFU in the regard of putting words in my mouth.

I gave you figures, tried to use logic nothing has worked I don't know what it would take for you to see that Georgia doesn't have AS big a promblem as Cali does.

[Mad Co Citizen]

The only words I put in your mouth were "no" and "no", which BOTH turned out to be correct, right? So I will NOT STFU and.

Let us just leave it this way...you do not know the nature of the problems in places like Gainesville and Miami and I do not know the nature of the problems in Santa Anna.

However, I must ask you - Is the problem measured solely on the number of hispanics in an area? Or can the problem be measured on things such as crime, gang involvement, presence of illegals (which I think we both agree that this number cannot be accurately measured), etc. Hell, in cities all over this country, there are 2 bedroom apartments with 20 people living inside - and, unlike some Americans - they ALL work. Can we agree that this is an AMERICAN issue that should NOT be decided in Cali?

P.S. If the "words that I put in your mouth" differ from what I mention above, tell me and I will apologize if necessary...I, just like you, want my questions answered.

[No Fear]

So much for short and sweet and every thing nice. Stealth where are ya?

[STEALTH MODE]

Ha, I'm here FEAR - I'm assessing the situation... ;)

[Chia6004]

"The only words I put in your mouth were "no" and "no", which BOTH turned out to be correct, right? So I will NOT STFU and.

Let us just leave it this way...you do not know the nature of the problems in places like Gainesville and Miami and I do not know the nature of the problems in Santa Anna.

However, I must ask you - Is the problem measured solely on the number of hispanics in an area? Or can the problem be measured on things such as crime, gang involvement, presence of illegals (which I think we both agree that this number cannot be accurately measured), etc. Hell, in cities all over this country, there are 2 bedroom apartments with 20 people living inside - and, unlike some Americans - they ALL work. Can we agree that this is an AMERICAN issue that should NOT be decided in Cali?

P.S. If the "words that I put in your mouth" differ from what I mention above, tell me and I will apologize if necessary...I, just like you, want my questions answered."

What I was reffering to is when you were making the statement that at some point I said that calis issues with illegal immigration are more important then the rest of the country I never said that. All that I said is that ours are on a larger scale because we have more people.

The only thing that offends me is when people put words in my mouth which is what I thought you were doing, it could have been a misunderstanding so I will leave that alone.

Yes all of those items that you referenced are a away to adeuately assess the situation. Most of the large mexican gangs, like MS started right here is So Cal, LA actually. There numbers are now in the tens of thousands and the most recent report is that they are aiding Al Qaida to enter the US. Do a search on them quite disturbing (sp).

http://officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=7&id=22255