Still haven't seen any condolence's on F-121 website

[Outsider]

This is a shame, who else here feels that the leadership of our Union dosen't care about us?

We've had 2 loses in our department, and this sorry ass union of ours won't even post a condolence to the Families on our "NEW WEBPAGE".

Just shows you what kind of leadership we have, dosen't it.

[Outsider]

Hey Union Officials:

Why is it you can post info about the "Local F61 President Dies", on "OUR" website, but you can't post anything about our members loses.

You bunch of "SORRY ASS PRICKS"

[FEDUP]

I do belive the the President either went to the funerals and or paid out of pocket to send flowers on behalf of the union. Since there is no provisions set up to send anything from the union. you speak of things you don't know or don't want to understand. get the full story before you go makin an ass of your self showing your ass. I hear a lot of griping and complaining but really don't see anyone doing anything to help out with the new merger. We are all sorry for the losses that our Brothers have suffered. Doing a screaming and yelling match calling people out and calling names does nothing for these families. Have you asked if there is anything they need? Have you ever thought that the family members don't want this drug out in thier names? To me you appear to be the type that would complain if the union did put something on the website that you will still gripe. cause they had to be told to do it. where is the happy medium????

[Outsider]

FEDUP - Seeing how you only joined today with this handle, who knows how many others you have, I don't think I have to justify you, with an answer.

Wait a minute, is this A/C Indiot or Idiot (I always get the spelling wrong) from Annapolis Naval Academy, I bet it is.

Do you go by Public Defender also.

[FEDUP]

Nope been a dues paying member for a long time and not an assistant chief... You demand respect yet you fail to give it? Why should anyone consider giving you any respect?? what have you done to deserve respect?

You aren't justifying anything to me, but the members that you are trying to speak for. If your not happy, with our union,, im sure you can pick up a drop card fill it out and have it processed. Use your head for something constructive. Give the union time to grow we are all going through growing pains.

[Roof Rescue]

Outsider...Now that we know who you are....Its just a matter of time...Give it a rest already.....My kids don't bitch as much as you!!!

[Outsider]

Hoof Rescue - You don't know me, because your the kind of the "Da shore snitch", if you did, you would have posted my name on the board.

And, I'm not giving it a rest, I've only started.

P.S.
Don't bring your children into this, be a man.

[Outsider]

Day 4 and no condolensce's for our "BROTHERS" loses.

What am I talking about, no condolence's for our "BROTHER FIREFIGHTER at PAX"

This is so sad, well just go on posting the A.A. Co. news.

[FEDUP]

this is a union website and no offense to the family of our brother FF at pax but he isn't a union Brother you would be able to see that on the mechanicsville VFD page i am sure.

[Outsider]

So he was a "Fellow Firefighter"

[FEDUP]

Brother Firefighter YES,Union Brother NO

you would be the one complaining that we are spending union money on non union members.
the othere volunteer companies have taken care of non union information,
again, can't make you happy... make your mind up,

[Outsider]

It's been 5 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER"

[xmas]

Hey Asshole (OUTSIDER) give it a rest, If it bothers you that bad then take care of it yourself. We had union brothers at Pax River to assist with thier operations while the paid there last respects to LT Lacey, So put your name on your next post and we can address the promblem face to face.

[fyrcapt14]

Fedup,

You're right Paul wasn't an IAFF member. Unfortunately Paul became sick before the FLRA vote and had some more important issues to deal with. However, before he became sick he was a member of AFGE Local 1603. If he were well he probably would have joined the IAFF.

I'm not sure why you would bring something like that up or what MVFD has to do with anything. Paul was a hell of a man and it was a great loss to his family and our department as a whole. No he wasn't a union "brother" but he was a brother firefighter!

Stay safe,

Rich Wilson
Fire Captain (B-Shift)
Webster Field Station 14
(301) 995-8338 or 8339

[Outsider]

It's been 6 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER's"

[FEDUP]

Since you have made it known you are no longer a dues paying member of the union, who cares what you think about information not being on our website.

pay dues and you can have a say
don't be a scab

[FEDUP]

Rich,

as for Paul not being able to be a union member that sucks because paul was a great guy. wish the reps from down there would have made that known and im sure there could of been a way to have him made a union member. not everything can be thought of during all the turmoil. as you say we learn something new every day and usually its hard to take the after thought for what it is worth. hindsight is 20/20 and i hope in the past this will not be over looked. we are all learning as we do more with the union.
hope we all learned something through all of this. there was no disrespect to the man ment at all.

[Outsider]

It's been 7 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER's", this is really sad.

What would it take to post a cpl. of lines on our webpage.

Oh I forgot, the Luau is more important.

[Roof Rescue]

Outsider, you must have missed the annoucement that your getting rifted....Maybe you can work at "SCABS 'R' US"......

[Outsider]

Hoof Rescue - I have way to many years in the Federal Service, it will take an act of Congress to RIF me, and I know, you'll go before I do, if a RIF ever happens.

But let's see what your local or union can do for your "BROTHERS" if a RIF does hit. I'll give you a hint - NOTHING!!!!!!

And I'll bet, you'll be the first one trying to fiqure who will go first, whinning to Management "I've got more time, I've got more time".

Let me tell you a story, an "Old" Captain here in Division 1, he's retired now, once told me how you can always spot the loser in a Fire Station, and I bet it fits you to a tee.

He's (Your) the one, that when ever a new employee starts work at the Station, he's (Your) the one that always runs to them to show them around and tell them how things run in the Station.

Because his co-workers know the kind of whinner he is, and they can't stand him, but he needs and wants someone to like him, so the poor new guy who dosen't know him yet, is stuck listening to how great he is, when he's really just a big pain in everyones Butt and nobody likes him. Now you can deny this, but I know this scenero fits you like a glove.

Now I, unlike you, am well liked and respected here at NDW, and the majority of the Firefighters here know I can be trusted, where as with you, I bet nobody likes you.

[TWR21TECHY]

I for one have figured out who you are and you are wrong... My respect for you has always been at the bottom of a dip stick - I just learned to tolerate you. Notice respect and tolerance are very different.

Since you proclaim the union is ineffective, I can only hope that an error in the old system or the NSPS gets you and then we will hear you doing all the crying.

[Outsider]

I for one have figured out who you are and you are wrong... My respect for you has always been at the bottom of a dip stick - I just learned to tolerate you. Notice respect and tolerance are very different.

Since you proclaim the union is ineffective, I can only hope that an error in the old system or the NSPS gets you and then we will hear you doing all the crying.

Well you don't know who I am, because if you did, you would be blabbing it all over this thread, and like I told Hoof Rescue (aka Hoof n' Mouth), I'll be here long after your gone, but the only problem is a lot of good Intelligent Firefighters will go before you and that's the real shame.

As for the second part of your reply, call me ignorant (I will before you do), but I don't understand SMIB (Southern Maryland InBreeding) language.

[Outsider]

It's been 8 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER's".

Saw that the website had 1000 hits, WOW, that does a lot for your BROTHERS.

[FEDUP]

Don"t Feed The "scab Troll"

[Outsider]

F'd UP - Whats wrong, does The Truth Hurt.

Is you conscious getting to you.

[FEDUP]

sooo you think the only thing you say is the truth,,, its the versions of the truth that you want to hear or what you want to try to sell to others. I see where your compassion for others is. you think you have soo many years in that you cant be a part of a rif think again,, you may not lose your job but by god you can be placed some where that you don't want to be. lets see can you negotiate how things are done? oh no thats right your are a scab.... you have to live by what the union negotiates. you just want to be miserable and try to take as many people with you as possible cause you don't want to be miserable by your self. you are the kid that didn't have many friends growing up werent' you? you were to smart for the other kids. always found a fault with them,,,, you will be an outsider for a long time,, soo just keep lookin in,, and when the union does do something that may make a transition a lil easier, you will be the first one to bitch about that. if you have been in the govn't for so long you know the drill. have you ever been through a rif or a furlo? have you ever had to worry about your job,,, they have been talking about all this stuff since the early 90s and here it is 2005 and its just now happening,, its been a long hard fight. and the fight will continue. we will lobby til the cows come home cause thats what we do. sooo you can sit back and watch all this go by and leave you sittin there to whine and cry just cause thats what you do.. its ok,, if you want to be a scab thats fine. but dont union bust trying to get people on your side. there are a number of people around that still have jobs because of the union. and im sure they know who they are. sooo your lil plight and plea to get everyone to join you in an anti union pitch is valiant and if they all followed you so be it i would never follow you because you are out for you and you only. then you can sit on the outside of the gate looking in as you are an outsider.

[Outsider]

F'd UP - I haven't seen this local negotiate squat, it hasn't done a thing that helps me or anybody else who works here. This union/local dosen't have enough pull, to close a door.

Like I stated before, I'm sorry a lot of decent Intelligent Firefighters may lose their jobs, and Idiots like you will still be here saying "How great it is to belong to this local", that hasn't done a thing, but take there members money and give them nothing to show for it.

[FireFactory]

F'd UP - I haven't seen this local negotiate squat, it hasn't done a thing that helps me or anybody else who works here. This union/local dosen't have enough pull, to close a door.

Like I stated before, I'm sorry a lot of decent Intelligent Firefighters may lose their jobs, and Idiots like you will still be here saying "How great it is to belong to this local", that hasn't done a thing, but take there members money and give them nothing to show for it.
People like are the reaons fire departments fall and do not meet thier full expectations!! YOU ARE WEAK AND A CRYBABY WHO IS LIVING A VERY UNHAPPY LIFE!!!!!! YOU WILL ALSO BE KNOWN AS A NONTEAMPLAYER.

Together
Everyone
Achieves
More
W
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[Outsider]

People like are the reaons fire departments fall and do not meet thier full expectations!! YOU ARE WEAK AND A CRYBABY WHO IS LIVING A VERY UNHAPPY LIFE!!!!!! YOU WILL ALSO BE KNOWN AS A NONTEAMPLAYER.

TireFactory - Who are you talking about, if it's me, one person is not going to make this or any Fire Department fall/fail.

But one "organization" representing those Firefighters will cause a Fire Department to fall/fail.

Oh, and by the way, I am a Team Player, I just choose not to belong to your team, because it's a loser.

[Outsider]

It's been 9 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER's".

Hey local, Your Members are paying for the so called expensive bandwidth of there webpage, and you won't even acknowledge there loses'.

[Outsider]

It's been 10 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER's".

On the "locals" precious webpage.

[FEDUP]

why is it you are the only person that can't find something on a the unions web page????? have you ever thought that maybe its in an area that is for members only? You don't deserve to have the same right to information that we do. You just need to go crawl back in the hole that you came out of. I hope that kids that come around the fire house don't see you and think are all firemen like you?? You are just a miserable scab. And you think nothing of but your self, And if you were on the same team as me i would have a sudden urge to trade you for something useful like a broken spanner wrench or something. You are but one person and it only takes one apple to ruin the entire bushel. So take your negativity some place else. and enjoy what the union gets for you. I can't believe you are as blind as you are. to the things that are right infront of your face. You are one small minded individual. Do me a favor hold your breath til you get what you want will you???????? Quit wasting time and stop and look at things,, do you always need some one to show you things? are you not capable of doing things for your self?

[Outsider]

I can see what's on "YOUR" precious webpage, like I said before one of the members gave me their username and password. I told you "It's great to have friends".

And as I stated before, one person can not cause a Fire Department to look bad, but one organization can.

And yes, I'm capable of doing things myself, and I've only started.

[FEDUP]

sure one person can cause a department to look bad,, its been stated here by some of your co workers that you are making the department look bad. and i hope there are alot of other people out there that are like me and realize that you are just one person and the entire department is not as disgruntled and miserable as you. You should have more truth and facts before you make accusations towards what some one is doing or not doing.

[Outsider]

F'd way UP - I'm by know means miserable, I am disgruntled, peeved, annoyed or what ever you want to call it when it comes to this impotent local you speak so highly of. That hasn't, haven't, won't, or can't do anything for the Firefighters here.

And I'm tired of hearing, give it time, give it a chance, in my opinion you have had your chance at bat and you've struck-out.

[FEDUP]

What have you lost? what have they not been able to do? has anyone been fired ? have we lost positions? have we had a RIF? this report has just hit the streets. what do you want anyone to do just go and wave a wand and say ABBRA CADABBRA its stopped? It is ok to have High Expectations but come on now you need to have realistic expectations. How many areas or bases have been preparing for whats been coming down? to support against the CNI proposals? I have seen that some places are doing a lot and some places are doing a little. It is everyones part to fight to keep thier jobs. again the union is only as strong as the people we have in it. you my friend are a weak link.

[Outsider]

It is ok to have High Expectations but come on now you need to have realistic expectations. How many areas or bases have been preparing for whats been coming down? I have seen that some places are doing a lot and some places are doing a little. It is everyones part to fight to keep thier jobs.

I agree with the above.

It's been 11 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER's".

[Outsider]

It's been 14 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER's".

And now, we've had another loss to one in our Firefighting Family and nothings been posted. This get's "WORSE" and "WORSE".

[TWR21TECHY]

Outsider,

You're really out there. First, do you know that anyone notified them? DID YOU???

None the less, the following was posted on the union website under the MEMORIALS heading:

Joshua Edward Farmer
Posted On: Dec 08, 2005 (07:00:34)

It is our sad duty to report that Joshua Edward Farmer, son of Capt C L Farmer (Battalion 1) pasted away on December 6, 2005 as a result of an auto accident. Funeral arrangements are as follows:

Fleck Funeral Home in Laurel, MD is handling the services:
Viewing: Dec. 9, 2005 2pm to 4pm and 6pm to 8pm
Funeral: Dec. 10, 2005 at 11am

Fleck Funeral Home
7601 Sandy Spring Rd.
Laurel, MD

Please keep the family of Capt Farmer in your thoughts and prayers

[Outsider]

TER21TECHY - My utmost apologies, I stand corrected. Thank You for bringing that to my attention.

[Outsider]

It's been 21 days and still haven't seen any Condolences for our "BROTHER's LOSS".

Saw the Memorial for Captain Farmer's Son. "Excellent"

You posted one about the past president of local f-61. "It's "YOUR" webpage, that's OK.

But you haven't posted one for your "Fellow Brother Steve Ellis' loss". Now that's just "SORRY".