Somethings will never change!

[justtruckin']

Will any chief officers or any fire dept. members ever take the blame for burning buildings down? Arriving on scene with just smoke with maybe a room off, the roof should never burn off the building. Its time to let firefighters do there job and put the fire out. Too many chiefs with all paper but not a clue of what it takes to put fires out. If your worried about being sued or "losing my house", stay home!

[jackas93]

When you take classes at ct fire training school. This is the outcome. Plus inviting tower 22 didn't help. people should just call the insurance company instead of the fire department.

[justtruckin']

Like i've said before, No truck work in this state. Venting a roof is overrated. Send guys in with hooks and pull cielings. Oops I forgot! The news can't film that!?

[jackas93]

They vented the roof so they could burn it down . The media loves that shit

[LtDad]

When you dont(can't) have water supply established....guess what is going to happen...roof didnt get opened because of the following concerns... 1. lack of water...2. lack of accountability...3. deterioring conditions...4. command issued building evacuation orders....a tough decision to make but one that had to be made...

[justtruckin']

Same excuse for the last ten years. No water! Grow some balls and take the heat; Get inside and put the fire out. Then you don't need any water!? The earth is 75% water and fire depts still can't find any!

[justtruckin']

I forgot to mention one thing; How hard is it to take accountability when everybody is in the front yard!

[jackas93]

What would happen if they didn't have a front yard to stand in ? 350,000$ FIRE TRUCK, WATER IS FREE . Watching it burn is priceless. Sell the fire equip and buy a bulldozer you would be more helpful

[wsfd44]

Yes, if ya' don't vent it, you'll burn the roof off..... Also, when you build a vertical lumberyard in a rural area...... Also, Truck Co's are somewhat rare, thus arrival usually means you can't spot it right because the access is gone. I'm spoiled 'cause we have a tower. And yes....sometimes I made a parking lot because I screwed up.....

[expresshockey35]

Scotland has a tower too. And if we get a call, and if the old beast will start, it's the cat's ass.

[LtDad]

I didn't hear you complain when you were licking the back seat window on the way to Plainfield and your twin brother was riding officer seat (sweating & filling his pants) and the old girl operated for 17.hrs....2 things for concideration..1. the occupants of both 1st and 2nd floor apartments reportedly got alot of personal belongings out afterwards which is incredible but good....2. the department had problems..that's obvious...we all should learn from those problems and ensure it doesnt happen to us...

[jackas93]

That's for sure. Don't build in that area. No firefighters standing in the front yard ? They got scared and ran away

[wsfd44]

That's for sure. Don't build in that area. No firefighters standing in the front yard ? They got scared and ran away


Do the terms "Common cockloft", or "Common Attic" or "autoextended"mean anything? Every single town has this type of construction. Vernon had a complex like this one several months ago where the fire got into the attic by extending into the eaves and they burned the center out of that building when water wasn't a problem.

Happened to talk to some folks on the Willington job and they started a trench cut but the fire got by them...

[jackas93]

Instead of a camera for the media . How about using tools for fighting fires

[justtruckin']

Every town has this problem with building construction? Then why don't the fire depts figure out how to put the fire out. I can recall at a lot of critiques in the past, that the same problems are always talked about and all the "paper chiefs" say next time we should do it this way or that way. Let your god-damn firemen go in and put the fucking fire out. Sick of hearing the same excuses after every fire. There are some good fire depts in this area with some good firemen, but the new breed of fire officers and leaders suck.

[justtruckin']

By the way, a typical house fire in eastern CT. I love seeing 10 holes in the roof and a lot of the windows not taking out. Thats good truck work. Ladders thrown to a window for RIT and not taking out! Time for some instructers who actually been to a fire to teach the new generation.

[wsfd44]

Every town has this problem with building construction? Then why don't the fire depts figure out how to put the fire out. I can recall at a lot of critiques in the past, that the same problems are always talked about and all the "paper chiefs" say next time we should do it this way or that way. Let your god-damn firemen go in and put the fucking fire out. Sick of hearing the same excuses after every fire. There are some good fire depts in this area with some good firemen, but the new breed of fire officers and leaders suck.

Why don't ya come by next time we work a job and I'll show you what this "paper chief" (Or any of our staff officers) can do. I get REAL tired of all the armchair whackers pointing fingers. It's real easy to tell every body how somebody else screwed up. Maybe some of these folks need to start walking the walk... They sure talk the talk. There ain't no gleaming white chiefs in this house... My 2 cents for the day.

[LtDad]

Problem is that in volunteer Whacker land where elections are held every year, officers that are getting some experience in scene and personnel management get replaced by the "I wanna Be's"...Cant think of 1 department that is on an annual election basis that hasnt passed the chiefs hat 10 tens in 15 years at best. This type of organizational operation leads to poor leadership, loosing good firemen/women, buildings going to the ground. Gee "Jackass93" sound familiar..??? Look in your back yard...isnt pretty is it... Couple that with the lack of buildings burning in the first place (in order to gain experience) and instructors that have little or no experience in the field teaching future officers NFPA 1500 and OSHA standards (cause in connecticut you can never see/do a fire and get ordained an instructor) you have the sad state of where Connecticuts fire service is... I suggest the state go to county operations where senior officers are appointed and held accountable to a board of executives who in turn have years of experience in fire service management... ...WSFD44...that was my 4 cents worth... :rolleyes:

[jackas93]

WSFD44 I don't think you want justtruckin' around you or any of your wackers. He will make you guy's look stupid trust me. I think LTDAD will agree.

[LtDad]

Without a doubt "justtruckn" is one of the best firefighter the we have in the area....Be sorely missed if he goes to Maryland...but I'll be happy to see him working Baltimore/Howard/Montgomery counties and riding officer on Engine 331 or Tower 33....

[jackas93]

That's his big dream, lots to think about. What does wsfd mean? Won't- Stay- Fire- dangerous

[KensingtonVFR]

I suggest the state go to county operations where senior officers are appointed and held accountable to a board of executives who in turn have years of experience in fire service management... ...WSFD44...that was my 4 cents worth... :rolleyes:

Connecticut will never go to a county system. They only system in Connecticut that is by county is the superior court houes. The only way Connecticut can go to a county goverment system is to rewite the state constitution and that will never happen. You don't want to see Fairfeild county getting all the money and power while leaving Hartford, New London and tolland county very poor.

If you don't like how fire officers are being trained and certified, then take it up with your state represenative, state senate or Gov Rell.

[expresshockey35]

I didn't hear you complain when you were licking the back seat window on the way to Plainfield and your twin brother was riding officer seat (sweating & filling his pants) and the old girl operated for 17.hrs....2 things for concideration..1. the occupants of both 1st and 2nd floor apartments reportedly got alot of personal belongings out afterwards which is incredible but good....2. the department had problems..that's obvious...we all should learn from those problems and ensure it doesnt happen to us...

Yeah, I remember...100 feet from a busy intersection and the throttle was wide open...

[jackas93]

Kensington vfd . It will happen . Your promblem is you pay attention to the fire service like you pay attention to hockey . The whaler's died 9 years ago. So get a life

[KensingtonVFR]

Kensington vfd . It will happen . Your promblem is you pay attention to the fire service like you pay attention to hockey . The whaler's died 9 years ago. So get a life

The Whalers will never die in Ct. CT will never go to a county type goverment.

[wsfd44]

WSFD = West Stafford Fire Department (web site wsfd44.org)

And since somebody is willing to vouch for justrukkin', that's fine by me... He's still more than welcome to visit.. As far as officers changing all of the time.. that comment is on the money. We (WSFD) are fortunate that with minor exceptions, our line hasn't changed since 1995, and everybody simply moved up. This means that all of thepeople holding chief rank have been so for at least 17 years. Our officers are motivated and experienced. A nearby department has done the 5 years 5 chiefs route and it certainly shows.

[expresshockey35]

it's going to be a much bigger process than one can imagine to change over to county in Connecticut. It will be changing a system that has been in place for hundreds of years, and there's too many small town politicians that aren't willing to give up whatever power they have. There are also too many small town fire officials that won't be very accepting to giving up whatever control they have to a county government. Too many of them are too worried about using a specific type of hose that's different from everyone else, or too worried about not getting tons of money to waste on apparatus they don't need. It's going to be a long, drawn out process until the old bastards die off and new blood comes in and changes the rules.

[Flashover21]

they wud straighten him up down there. Prolly just another 2/20 who thinks he knows everything because he looks at kentlands website every hour

[KensingtonVFR]

it's going to be a much bigger process than one can imagine to change over to county in Connecticut. It will be changing a system that has been in place for hundreds of years, and there's too many small town politicians that aren't willing to give up whatever power they have. There are also too many small town fire officials that won't be very accepting to giving up whatever control they have to a county government. Too many of them are too worried about using a specific type of hose that's different from everyone else, or too worried about not getting tons of money to waste on apparatus they don't need. It's going to be a long, drawn out process until the old bastards die off and new blood comes in and changes the rules.

Unless you want to change the state consitution, it will be a long drawn out fight in hartford before connecticut goes to a county goverment system. It will never happen and no Mayor, first selectman or town/city manager would ever want to give up their power. Look at Maryland and PA and how screwed up their county goverment system is. Do you want a Maryland or PA type county System in Connecticut where some counties are more powerful than the state?. What i worry is that if Connecticut dose go to a county goverment system, you could end up seeing Fairfeild and Litchfeild counties being more powerful than Hartford, Tolland, Windham, New London and Middlesex county. We all know that Fairfeild and Litchfeild are rich and powerful counties in the state.

[expresshockey35]

they wud straighten him up down there. Prolly just another 2/20 who thinks he knows everything because he looks at kentlands website every hour

who's "him"?

[Flashover21]

justtruckin

[jackas93]

Flashover21 you can't be talking about justtruckin. Going county is more than a power issue it's a money issue . Instead of 15 departments buying 15 diffrent trucks , A county can buy 15 of the same and save lots of money. Thats the same with every thing else.

[LtDad]

Is Flashover... that "pgrescue"... alternative sexual preference type... that our brothers and sisters from Prince Georges County Fire/Rescue been looking for...??

And yeah Flashover...when you have family at Kentland you tend to watch their website....

[SQUADLOO]

First off I will probably be considered an outsider (being from Baltimore City FD) but surfing the Watch Desk came across this thread. Baltimore has the luxury of being an all paid Department and most companies on a full box are on the street in 1 minute or less after dispatch. I say this because the time before arrival is in many cases the key to a good stop or a home with a major skylight. The second key is training and the motivation of its members. In Baltimore as the Engine crew makes headway on a job the Truck Company immediately begins a primary interior search for trapped occupants. It is key however (and in many balloon construction homes) critical to open the ceilings and walls. This is accomplished by members not on the initial attack to bring a 6’ hook and open up as needed. How many times have we seen guys go into a dwelling empty handed? It happens in many departments. Bring a hook, trust me its needed or will be shortly. If you have to go back to the Rig it may be too late. I was a volunteer firefighter for 5 years before being hired by the City of Baltimore in 1990 and can relate to the frustration. I have since been promoted to the rank of Lieutenant in 2003 and it is truly a difficult transition. Let’s face it some want to ride because it’s COOL and some truly have a passion to learn and practice the Kraft. I truly feel the key is training with the companies you run with as the root of many problems we face. And truth be told many volunteer companies dislike the station down the street. Hell some career stations as well, but in the end career or volunteer we are all Brothers. Stay safe… :)

[expresshockey35]

First off I will probably be considered an outsider (being from Baltimore City FD) but surfing the Watch Desk came across this thread. Baltimore has the luxury of being an all paid Department and most companies on a full box are on the street in 1 minute or less after dispatch. I say this because the time before arrival is in many cases the key to a good stop or a home with a major skylight. The second key is training and the motivation of its members. In Baltimore as the Engine crew makes headway on a job the Truck Company immediately begins a primary interior search for trapped occupants. It is key however (and in many balloon construction homes) critical to open the ceilings and walls. This is accomplished by members not on the initial attack to bring a 6’ hook and open up as needed. How many times have we seen guys go into a dwelling empty handed? It happens in many departments. Bring a hook, trust me its needed or will be shortly. If you have to go back to the Rig it may be too late. I was a volunteer firefighter for 5 years before being hired by the City of Baltimore in 1990 and can relate to the frustration. I have since been promoted to the rank of Lieutenant in 2003 and it is truly a difficult transition. Let’s face it some want to ride because it’s COOL and some truly have a passion to learn and practice the Kraft. I truly feel the key is training with the companies you run with as the root of many problems we face. And truth be told many volunteer companies dislike the station down the street. Hell some career stations as well, but in the end career or volunteer we are all Brothers. Stay safe… :)

Well, you guys are definetely in a different class than us. You have John Travolta as an officer.

[justtruckin']

Conn will go to a county system. Talked to guy in D.C. and our great Conn leaders are hot and heavy about it. Wouldn't it be great to seperate from Litchfield and Fairfield?

SquadLoo= There is no system in Conn. Most fires have no truck or squad. All engine fags. Chiefs have to tell there firemen what to do and how to do it. States fault. Opening walls and cielings is done during overhaul. Its time for a change in this state before people start dying. It can be done but everybody needs to bond. (county)

I will agree that alot of good firemen have left the fire service not only because of all the rules and regs, but because of EMS. Make ambu's paid and fire depts would do much better.(county)

And to the people who do not agree with me, I don't give a shit. Just my opinion.

[justtruckin']

To all the Chiefs that have been in for 10+. Please stay in for 10 more. Every time you guys step down so doesn't the fire service.

[justtruckin']

Fuckedover21. They did straighten me out. They taught me how to be a good fireman.

[expresshockey35]

To all the Chiefs that have been in for 10+. Please stay in for 10 more. Every time you guys step down so doesn't the fire service.

and for those that have been in close to 20 (DDS), please stay 3 more years, and give your sons a chance to mature.

[Flashover21]

justtruckin, these problems that you talk about must just up there in windham county wherever the hell that is. Down in my neck of the woods we dont have that problem. fire and ems are seperate, atleast one truck and a squad on a fire etc

[Flashover21]

yeah pg taught me how to be a better firefighter too, but i didnt come back here and start blasting everything thats wrong like im the god of fire........nothing against you, just bitching about it is not going to solve anything. I would love a county system down here in fairfield county

[expresshockey35]

yeah pg taught me how to be a better firefighter too, but i didnt come back here and start blasting everything thats wrong like im the god of fire........nothing against you, just bitching about it is not going to solve anything. I would love a county system down here in fairfield county

I think CT should give your yuppie filled county to NY.

[Flashover21]

some parts yuppie yes, no the bridgeport area tho

[LtDad]

Heard NFPA guru's are going to inact a new procedure...not sure of the wording but it has to deal with accountability, and the timing of firefighters working with scba's on in hazardous enviroments. If I heard right "accountability" will time the guys inside and pull them out before their low air alarm goes off....we'll need to start a "county" response just to get additional manpower....15 minutes working...30 minutes in Rehab...isn't that just wonderful.... guess we'll go from 45 minute bottles to hour bottles....3 more years "expresso iwannabe a hockeyplayer" that sell international truck parts....you make a good concerning point...and you also got 1 more year to find a replacement...

[jackas93]

Who the hell is going to watch us the fucking nfpa police . That Shit must be for the union guys god for bid they work.

[ETbabysitter]

Do the terms "Common cockloft", or "Common Attic" or "autoextended"mean anything? Every single town has this type of construction. Vernon had a complex like this one several months ago where the fire got into the attic by extending into the eaves and they burned the center out of that building when water wasn't a problem.

Happened to talk to some folks on the Willington job and they started a trench cut but the fire got by them...


Vernon's apartment complex on arrival-
Front
http://www.vernonfire.com/hotshots/2006/Woodmere/DSC00133.JPG

Rear
http://www.vernonfire.com/hotshots/2006/Woodmere/DSC00135.JPG

[LtDad]

ETbabysitter.....I was on the Ridgeview roof....fire was starting to gain headway into the attic when command ordered total evacuation of inside, and roof operations.... 2-3 minutes more the trench would of been completed. But with little or no water the the results would of been the same...

[Jason762]

After reading through this thread I felt the need to clear up a few misconceptions. Many posts stated many things about CT as a whole. Now working in an FD in the SW corner of the state I have to take exceptions to a few things:

1. It was stated that no FD in the entire state uses truck co.'s. This would be untrue for my area of the state. I'm not sure how one could make a statement such as this, unless he travelled the entire state to see how different dept.'s operated.
2. It was stated that there is no good training in the state. I will agree that the state academy is sub-par. I myself have always had a problem learning about hi-rise op's from a guy who belongs to an FD in a town where the tallest building is 3 stories, or about interior firefighting op's from a guy who protects a town of 5,000 people and the last fire he saw was a barn fire back in 2002. In fact the training needed improvement so badly that we have started a Regional Fire Training School. Here you can learn from instructors that actually do these things for a living. Guys that actually have been to a fire, operated in hi-rises, and done the job.
3. Lastly it was stated that Fairfield County was a yuppy area. Come down to Stamford's West side, south end, or East side projects and tell the crackhead with the gun on the corner how he's a yuppy. I think most of you people from the sticks have no idea what goes on in the cities in CT. Before you make a generalization , maybe you should get your facts straight.

[ETbabysitter]

ETbabysitter.....I was on the Ridgeview roof....fire was starting to gain headway into the attic when command ordered total evacuation of inside, and roof operations.... 2-3 minutes more the trench would of been completed. But with little or no water the the results would of been the same...

Take a look at the hoselines in that picture. That was the intial stretch. There is no water yet supplied to the Fire Attack teams. Operations were defensive from the get go. Once enough progress was made from outside, crews began their work inside. It didnt take much to darken down that 1st floor with a 2 and a half inch.

[LtDad]

That was a good kick ass Vernon fire....that is not what happened at ridgeveiw apts for various reasons....as the pic shows...

[Emtmom]

1. It was stated that no FD in the entire state uses truck co.'s. This would be untrue for my area of the state. I'm not sure how one could make a statement such as this, unless he travelled the entire state to see how different dept.'s operated. I missed this one, considering at least 2 of the fire dept. personnel in this thread have a truck in their station, that IS used! I'm not sure why they would make that statement. 2. It was stated that there is no good training in the state. I will agree that the state academy is sub-par. I myself have always had a problem learning about hi-rise op's from a guy who belongs to an FD in a town where the tallest building is 3 stories, or about interior firefighting op's from a guy who protects a town of 5,000 people and the last fire he saw was a barn fire back in 2002. In fact the training needed improvement so badly that we have started a Regional Fire Training School. Here you can learn from instructors that actually do these things for a living. Guys that actually have been to a fire, operated in hi-rises, and done the job. So because someone who teaches a class might not have seen a fire since 2002, BUT, may have 15 or 20 yrs experience that makes them a teacher you can't respect? If you know more than the instructors, maybe YOU should become an instructor and make it all better. 3. Lastly it was stated that Fairfield County was a yuppy area. Come down to Stamford's West side, south end, or East side projects and tell the crackhead with the gun on the corner how he's a yuppy. I think most of you people from the sticks have no idea what goes on in the cities in CT. Before you make a generalization , maybe you should get your facts straight.
You'll have to excuse most of us from "the sticks", I mean aftetr all we live in "the sticks" with no way of knowing what goes on in the outside world. After all we are just dumb hicks, who have no clue what goes on in "the big city". I believe several of your comments can be categorized as the pot calling the kettle!
Sorry for the interuption guys, please continue the discussion and the pics! I'm loving the pics!!

[ETbabysitter]

1. It was stated that no FD in the entire state uses truck co.'s. This would be untrue for my area of the state. I'm not sure how one could make a statement such as this, unless he travelled the entire state to see how different dept.'s operated.

We run 2 95' tower ladders. They actually get used...

[Jason762]

So because someone who teaches a class might not have seen a fire since 2002, BUT, may have 15 or 20 yrs experience that makes them a teacher you can't respect? If you know more than the instructors, maybe YOU should become an instructor and make it all better.

That is correct, if you have little to no actual experience doing the job, then you aren't a teacher that can be respected. Reading all the books in the world may give you the book knowledge of how things are supposed to be done, but actually going out and putting those theories to work make you a good FF. And not that it matters but I am an instructor who actively teaches.

You'll have to excuse most of us from "the sticks", I mean aftetr all we live in "the sticks" with no way of knowing what goes on in the outside world. After all we are just dumb hicks, who have no clue what goes on in "the big city". I believe several of your comments can be categorized as the pot calling the kettle!
I'm not saying that those from the sticks are just a bunch of dumb hicks, I live in the sticks, I just happen to work in a city. But the generalizations that all of Ffld county is a yuppy area is FAR from the truth.

Oh and one last thing, owning a ladder truck does not mean you practice proper truck co. op's. I'm not saying that you don't, but the statement that the FD has a ladder truck is completely different than saying we practice aggressive truck co. op's. You can perform truck op's w/o an actual aerial ladder.

[ETbabysitter]

I can assure you that proper truck company operations are practiced.

[Emtmom]

That is correct, if you have little to no actual experience doing the job, then you aren't a teacher that can be respected. Reading all the books in the world may give you the book knowledge of how things are supposed to be done, but actually going out and putting those theories to work make you a good FF. And not that it matters but I am an instructor who actively teaches.re-read my post, I said this person may have 15 - 20 years experience. THAT makes a difference, unfortunately there are good and not so good instructors. the only way to change that is to start testing them and weeding through them.


I'm not saying that those from the sticks are just a bunch of dumb hicks, I live in the sticks, I just happen to work in a city. But the generalizations that all of Ffld county is a yuppy area is FAR from the truth.That was worded that way to let you know that you had written your post in the same manner as the person you were posting to. Thus lumping people together. Being as Ffld county is the richest county in the state, I'm afraid alot of people would have the same opinion. Let's face it, there are more people with money there, than there are without.

Oh and one last thing, owning a ladder truck does not mean you practice proper truck co. op's. I'm not saying that you don't, but the statement that the FD has a ladder truck is completely different than saying we practice aggressive truck co. op's. You can perform truck op's w/o an actual aerial ladder.I'm not touching this one, I'll let the chief answer you as to the training and aggressivness of our departments crew. Works out better than way considering the fact that I'm not a FF.

[justtruckin']

Lt Dad, can i leave yet?

[jackas93]

Last time I knew this was the Windham county thread so you wackers on the other side go back to fighting fires from the curb.

[Flashover21]

I agree with Jason 100%! JackAss,come to the bridgeport area and tell us we fight fires from the curb... i know we cant compare with ur 6 fires a year.....

[Flashover21]

EMT MOM just awhile back i saw a fire on the news that was in the area, it said over a dozen dept's were on scene! for a house fire! dousnt seem very aggressive to me

[LtDad]

Justtruckin...No you cant.....you started this crap....finish it....jackass...knowing that I can count the times you left the state on 1 hand...be good for you to hear/see how other brother/sisters work...your assignment is to find out if CAFS work for other departments....Flashover that is what truckin is talking about...little bit of flamage and its a defensive operation from the start....might as well bring a 30 pak and make a party out of it.....

[Emtmom]

EMT MOM just awhile back i saw a fire on the news that was in the area, it said over a dozen dept's were on scene! for a house fire! dousnt seem very aggressive to me
Where? I'm lost, enlighten me

[expresshockey35]

oh Christ. Reading all of this makes my head hurt.

[Emtmom]

oh Christ. Reading all of this makes my head hurt.
awwww you want some advil express?

[expresshockey35]

might need something stronger...

[Emtmom]

might need something stronger...Can't legally help you there hon! :)

[expresshockey35]

Last time I knew this was the Windham county thread so you wackers on the other side go back to fighting fires from the curb.
http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes10/BlazeSaddle129.jpeg
"Never mind that s***, here comes Mongo!"

[jackas93]

Thats right MONGO
and LtDad TO THE RESCUE

[LtDad]

Damm right....now if my tan would only get that dark.... :D

[wsfd44]

I probably should make this my last reply in this section and go back to "Tolland County" where I belong..... ;)

Regarding the issues brought forward by Jason762:

We have been practicing aggressive truck ops long before we actually acquired an aerial device... That is why we carried extra saws, fans, hooks, extra ladders on pumpers.... Truck companies, especially in our area, were thinly spread, necessitating the need for "City Service" type operations and the extra gear. The acquisition of the tower ladder simply added the aerial device to the equation.

We do indeed practice safe, aggressive truck ops, and are constantly educating our own people and departments where we respond about working with said tower ladder. While we obviously don't see as much work as our city brethren, we have to practice harder to stay sharp...and... practice makes perfect, we do our share...

[LtDad]

First of all chief 44....this is the TWD....you're input is more than welcome to keep the dialog going and stimulate conversation both good and not so good...

second anybody know who the guy in the bucket from PGFD (prince georges county maryland) is....??

3rd...a fire north of my town....the mutual aide Deputy chief arrived 1st with full turn out gear went into the house to investigate...the 1st due officers arrived and chewed his ass out for that....what the hell was that all about...??? Hence the reason alot of us want to go county dispatching....only 1 town left to come on board....

[jackas93]

You can't do that shit. The firehouse mag. doesn't allow that. In the firehouse mag. rules of firefighting, It says that no firefighter shall use his/her common sence, to save life or property. On page 1 section 6 paragraph 3 It says pretty trucks and ppe are just for show and no go. So for the ass chewers stay home and watch reruns of rescue 911

[expresshockey35]

second anybody know who the guy in the bucket from PGFD (prince georges county maryland?????

Not sure, but I heard he was supposed to be on vacation from that sort of thing, and I also heard he never filled out the proper ride-along paperwork. I will give him a lot of credit, as he was brave enough to fly on that antique.

[expresshockey35]

Attention all tower-ladder drivers - there is an important alert out regarding the operation of tower-ladders during fire responses during and immediately after electrical storms. Please be aware of low-lying or downed power, phone, or cable wires, as they may become attached to your vehicle, making you look like a damn cowboy when you show up to the scene with 300' of wire hanging from the basket. Thank you for your attention in this matter.

[Jake Rixner]

I know who those two guys are but will never tell.

Do you think we could just be all about putting fires out and not worry about the dumb stuff? Why did they create the fire service to begin with? To put fires out right?

Common sense rules, If you don't have it, get off the fire ground.

But then again, what do I know!

[jackas93]

LtDad a.k.a One man show . I quess he's right it takes one guy and one truck to watch it burn down. Go 22

[expresshockey35]

LtDad a.k.a One man show . I quess he's right it takes one guy and one truck to watch it burn down. Go 22 Lt. Dad:
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[jackas93]

He ain't smart enough to play with himself, nevermind all of that shit

[expresshockey35]

He ain't smart enough to play with himself, nevermind all of that shit
It's the concept of "one man band." I'd never give him credit for being that talented. F'ing cowboy's what he is.

[Karl Spackler]

Same excuse for the last ten years. No water! Grow some balls and take the heat; Get inside and put the fire out. Then you don't need any water!? The earth is 75% water and fire depts still can't find any!


good theory, I used to run with a truck company (if you can call them that) who would not cut a roof, and took many a beating in the process.

[LtDad]

Yes I did leave you all back in the station cause while you were looking at your pagers numerous times in disbleif that you going to a house fire... and getting aroused.....I thought it best to get the "Antique" truck out and gone while there was still a chance to get a good operating position before all the useless iron on wheels plugs up the scene.....and I would support anybody else doing that too with no questions asked....get on and go or get left behind....expressoiwannabeahockeyplayer.. if... (god forbid) your house is burning ....and the "antique" rips another 150' of tv cable wire off the post and house....I'll make sure to stop and take time to coil it up....I know you guys are really upset with me cause you didnt get the opportunity to lick the windows facing the bulldogs ass.... ;)...by the way that's LT Cowboy...show some respect....

Jake....want a job teaching these whackers what the fire service should be about..??

[expresshockey35]

me arroused? I'm sure your pants got a size tighter when those tones went off. And I got to lick the actual windows while you were resuming breathing from the scare of a lifetime. ZAP!!!!!!!!!!! hahahl.

Actually, I only call that truck an antique to get a rise out of the antique that drives it. (The cowboy).

[jackas93]

He sure is a cowboy. An Anal one that is

[Harley05]

All this talk in this thread about tower ops and no water, well the last fire I was at the real hero of the day was our little truck with 5000' of 5" hose and 1000 GPM pump!

[MTFD515]

ok, I'm going to jump on the truck ops, Tower ops, ladder ops, what ever you would like to call it! Truck Co ops is a vital part of every firefighting operations in every town whether you have a ladder, tower, quint, or pumper. if you have a ladder truck it is a good start but you need to use that ladder correctly. (1)that means the 1st due engine/pumper pulls past the address or off the driveway (in the sticks) and leaves room for the ladder. (2) the Ladder must pull up in front of the address and positions correctly! (if is different for mid-mounts and rear-mounts.) then your crew has to be trained to perform every function of the ladder/truck Co. Vent, Search & Rescue,Master streams, forcible entry,what ever. Every crew member should come off the truck with hooks, irons,water cans, etc. and ready to go to work. You don't just pull up and sit there. If you are going to bring the truck to the party, you better use it. In a recent fire I photographed, the truck (yes, that is it's designated name) pulled off the road and sat there and got in the way of my photos. you might as well have kept it at the station. I have been to fire where like Ltdad said the first due ET's have clogged up the front of the address and now we have a 70,000pd tower that is taking up space and is useless! For those of you who practice your "Truck Co" skills that is excellant but just make sure you are performing those skills correctly!

[expresshockey35]

ok, I'm going to jump on the truck ops, Tower ops, ladder ops, what ever you would like to call it! Truck Co ops is a vital part of every firefighting operations in every town whether you have a ladder, tower, quint, or pumper. if you have a ladder truck it is a good start but you need to use that ladder correctly. (1)that means the 1st due engine/pumper pulls past the address or off the driveway (in the sticks) and leaves room for the ladder. (2) the Ladder must pull up in front of the address and positions correctly! (if is different for mid-mounts and rear-mounts.) then your crew has to be trained to perform every function of the ladder/truck Co. Vent, Search & Rescue,Master streams, forcible entry,what ever. Every crew member should come off the truck with hooks, irons,water cans, etc. and ready to go to work. You don't just pull up and sit there. If you are going to bring the truck to the party, you better use it. In a recent fire I photographed, the truck (yes, that is it's designated name) pulled off the road and sat there and got in the way of my photos. you might as well have kept it at the station. I have been to fire where like Ltdad said the first due ET's have clogged up the front of the address and now we have a 70,000pd tower that is taking up space and is useless! For those of you who practice your "Truck Co" skills that is excellant but just make sure you are performing those skills correctly!

Thanks for your words of wisdom. Now a question specifically directed towards your username...where do you park the truck with the blackjack table in the back of it? You know, the one that was paid for, not by the billions made on the property you protect, but rather by a FEMA grant designed to assist departments that really need it...hmmm....

[sandpuppy]

Hey express from the everyone talks all we do is just park our trucks and don't nothing and how do some say don't know nothing, last i knew most of the time we go there and clean up others messes anyways isn't that right dad. oh what the hell i'll take being a backyard piece of shit no nothing firefighter from the backwoods of windham county. we have a hell of lot more fun.when in doubt call the 1-800-nfpa-fagots

[LtDad]

Sandpuppy....how did you make it in life so far....Myself and others have tried reading your post numerous times now and have all gotten a headache from it....you are definitely windham county fire/ems officer material.... :eek:

[MTFD515]

Well, The truck with the blackjack table in back is parked under one of many garages we have. and yes I know those billions of dollars that should be going to some of you folks up north, comes to us the multi billion dollar operation. it's not fair, but on the fire grant thing there is this little clause that states Tribal nations will be a priority on obtaining grant money. I will tel you one thing, We may be apart of a multi-billion dollar operation but our budget is very small. Fire and EMS is not at the top of "their" list when it comes to spending money. Most of the items that we got that are new is from grants (ie gear,SCBA upgrade,those wonderful (sarcastic) prime movers rescue trucks) our fire budget got cut again this year and we almost did not fill some of the positions we had open from the vacanies that left! But if it makes you all feeel better you can let all your feelings out!!! I'm listening :)


.......If you took offense to my comment on departments just leaving there "truck" on the side of the road during a fire, then it must of been your departments truck and if it was you, you do have the power to change that issue!

[MTFD515]

Hey sandpuppy, I couldn't understand what you wrote so I can't comment on it but I did understand you may need some help with a word in my message so the webster dictionary states a clause is a separate section of a discourse or writing; specifically : a distinct article in a formal document. I hope that helps you and stay with it!

[expresshockey35]

Hey express from the everyone talks all we do is just park our trucks and don't nothing and how do some say don't know nothing, last i knew most of the time we go there and clean up others messes anyways isn't that right dad. oh what the hell i'll take being a backyard piece of shit no nothing firefighter from the backwoods of windham county. we have a hell of lot more fun.when in doubt call the 1-800-nfpa-fagots
sandpuppy typing his last message:
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[jackas93]

What the hell was that sandpuppy . write it, read it , then send it .

[jackas93]

The tribal fd and sta.22 (uconn) have two things in common. They have big dollar trucks and no work

[sandpuppy]

What the hell was that sandpuppy . write it, read it , then send it .
WHAT CAN I SAY JACKAS93 I WAS TAKING AFTER MY MENTOR , I GOT COCKED AND AND RAMBLED ON ABOUT NOTHING. WHAT CAN I SAY I LEARN FROM THE BEST.

[expresshockey35]

The tribal fd and sta.22 (uconn) have two things in common. They have big dollar trucks and no work
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This is the new response vehicle spec for 22 and MTFD.

[LtDad]

I dont care if they give me a scooter and a P/w extinguisher...(pressurized water extinguisher)....it'll still beats driving a tri-axle or selling international truck parts for a living......sandpuppy....glad you got the dictionary with ya....but you could still use some improvement....how bout we get back to what the TWD is all about...fire/rescue service....

[MTFD515]

that's ok, get your laughs in boys. we here at the MTFD may not get a lot of work here at the complex but I have to ask this questions? how many mutual aid fires have you gone to and worked at this year? (an going to PHS does not count!) we have responded to 26 working fires in the area since January 1st of this year. (this is documented fact not my opinion.) so I would say that it is a somewhat false statement to say we have expensive trucks and no work. but, if it does make you feel better, well I'm glad I (we) could help you.

[MTFD515]

oh, by the way, some of those big dollar trucks, you can have them! the older models are alot easy to operate!

[jackas93]

LtDad you go to work to do what? Be the manger of a fire alarm reset team or babysitter at a ball game. Your right you make good money at doing nothing thats why taxes are so high

[sandpuppy]

oh, by the way, some of those big dollar trucks, you can have them! the older models are alot easy to operate!
Wait to you get the new tank you guys are building in your other station, and if he really only knew whou you were. By the way great pics.But you are right i'll take our old clunkers anyday.

[jackas93]

MTFD515 going to mutual aid fires as R.I.T (RESTING IN TRUCK) does'nt mean much so try again.

[MTFD515]

Ok, if that does not suit your need for satisfaction, of those FAST responses 18 of those calls our personnel were used for fire suppression, ventilation, search & rescue, overhaul or other. Some of the towns we have responded to are Norwich, Montville, Waterford, Preston,Jewett City, east lyme. ok to some going Fast does not count, I beg to differ but that is foir another frourm. From an incident commanders point of veiw, you have 4 or 5 fresh firefighters to use when most of your interior fireifghters are fatigued and need rehab. Also on those 18 "jobs" they were during the day when manpower has been limited. In the past we have been the 3rd due engine at some fires in Montville,Waterford, and Bozrah.

on another note, thank sandpuppy for the compliment, I'll try to provide more great pics in the future! that tank will be delivered to shipmans on Aug 28 and be at the other station on sept 8th.

[LtDad]

MTFD....want to thank you for the pics and the postings in the First Responder....you're welcome anytime, anyday to whackerville...if you got gear we'll put you to work like we did with the guys from PGFD....maybe..just maybe you'll work along side of Jackass93 one day....He may live up to his posting name...but he's also a damm good firefighter/driver operator.....so are you expresso...dont want you to feel left out... ;)

[MTFD515]

your welcome LtDad, I figured we needed to place your town on the map. and thank you for the invitation, I may take you up on that someday. actually I would look forward to working with these great firefighters, maybe even learn something new!

[sandpuppy]

your welcome LtDad, I figured we needed to place your town on the map. and thank you for the invitation, I may take you up on that someday. actually I would look forward to working with these great firefighters, maybe even learn something new!
Hope you like to drink that may be the only thing you need to keep up on.

[MTFD515]

I can do that too....

[justtruckin']

I have just pissed myself and there is nothing you can do about it.

[expresshockey35]

sandpuppy could drink us all under the table, except he can't fit under the table anymore.

[LtDad]

Wow...I see more of my president on here...the TWD....

[expresshockey35]

Wow...I see more of my president on here...the TWD....

miss me? I didn't know there were any more windows to lick..

[Karl Spackler]

wow, almost three months later and this is still going. whatever happened to the days where a simple fistfight would solve everything?

[LtDad]

We now have "policies" in place that are in compliance with state and federal regulations that protect the weak and spineless alternative liberal types thereby making it a sin to beat, harass, insult, or in anyway hurt their little feelings.....I wish we had the old "interrogation" committee still in place that brought "questionable members" out behind the station for some "counseling and information gathering"...

[expresshockey35]

We now have "policies" in place that are in compliance with state and federal regulations that protect the weak and spineless alternative liberal types thereby making it a sin to beat, harass, insult, or in anyway hurt their little feelings.....I wish we had the old "interrogation" committee still in place that brought "questionable members" out behind the station for some "counseling and information gathering"...

This, coming from the guy that wouldn't risk telling someone that they f'ed up in fear of losing them as a member...remember "It's ok that you took the engine out and ran a kid over, just learn from it."

[LtDad]

Kid should of been more cautious.....How about we congratulate Quinebaug Valley Emergency Communications Center's newest dispatcher.....His expertise should help promote QV's dispatching techniques from the 50's...to the 70's....

[expresshockey35]

Kid should of been more cautious.....How about we congratulate Quinebaug Valley Emergency Communications Center's newest dispatcher.....His expertise should help promote QV's dispatching techniques from the 50's...to the 70's....
hope he's not as stupid as he looks......

[sandpuppy]

hope he's not as stupid as he looks......
This coming from some fluzzy parts guy who when i tell him i need two pins for a pedal he makes me buy 2 dozen. lets talk. thought you knew your job. go chase some more freakin trains and jack off over them. a least some guys with hobbys are jackin off over naked women. you need to be like that harley05 guy. take a ride to tolland one night with him blow off some steam and look at something worth jacking off too.

[sandpuppy]

hope he's not as stupid as he looks......
Ok no problem but then we could all look like this when we are about ready to retire, wish i could be ths professional.

[LtDad]

WHoooooooooooaaaaaa........chill out Sandpuppy....if you cant take the heat here stay the hell out....Lets try...atleast try to clean our language up....Please..... :eek: I would like to think that chief officers in Windham County can express themselves with some sort of refinement.... :cool: that's better.....

[sandpuppy]

WHoooooooooooaaaaaa........chill out Sandpuppy....if you cant take the heat here stay the hell out....
What i can't have a little fun thats not fair lol

[sandpuppy]

How about this heres lt dad being carried to his tonka truck , told you we didn't need a wheel chair lift

[sandpuppy]

WHoooooooooooaaaaaa........chill out Sandpuppy....if you cant take the heat here stay the hell out....Lets try...atleast try to clean our language up....Please..... :eek: I would like to think that chief officers in Windham County can express themselves with some sort of refinement.... :cool: that's better.....
Is that better dad i fixed it just for you see you taught me right from wrong again. you are the best. thanks dad we all love you.

[expresshockey35]

damn sandpuppy, you really know how to kill a conversation. Heard you working last night..can't wait for 16 to get a call while you're dispatching so we can hear you sign on to yourself and assume command from Danielson.

[MTFD515]

Helllo???? is everyone ok in here or did ya'll have too much to drink this weekend and pass out before you could reach your computer??????

[LtDad]

Guess we pissed off a bunch of people.......oh well....what does everybody think of the regionalization of Windham county...parts of Tolland county and New London county into 1 region for Haz-Mat responses...???

[Falcon325]

hi everyone

[jackas93]

I can see it now, 40 trucks ,100 people going to a radiator leak or 3 qts of oil on the the ground.GO WACKERS

[expresshockey35]

speaking of whackers...sorry, I had to be the first to post it and beat Jackas93 to the punch...heard there's soft shoulders on Lt.Dad's driveway...oops.....

[LtDad]

Bring it on...know you guys have pics....lets get it over with........

[expresshockey35]

Bring it on...know you guys have pics....lets get it over with........

I'd have to call the first selectperson and ask for a few. Heard that she's got quite a few. BTW, she Can't Understand Normal Thinking.

[sandpuppy]

Bring it on...know you guys have pics....lets get it over with........
Myself and jackas93 would of, but we were laughing to hard to hold the camera. Our hero and savor lmao. Guess we can call this a lesson learned or not

[jackas93]

I'm still laughing can't write. Just because you get paid to drive fire trucks does'nt mean you can. The towing bill cost more than what the truck is worth. Next time you think about driving a truck? Well don't even think about it, you can'tl

[AC302]

Glad 2 see you guys are still havin fun in here...be safe

[expresshockey35]

heard Lt. Dad's on his way down to 33 to drive their tower...hope the 33 boys put some training wheels on it for him.

[Harley05]

Thats not right all you guys picking on LT Dad about his driving, we still have GT-116. I'm sure that he can keep that on all four wheels.

[expresshockey35]

just don't let him borrow it or ride it in the back of the station. it might end up in the brook.

[sandpuppy]

just don't let him borrow it or ride it in the back of the station. it might end up in the brook.
All the years back on the farm he should be able to handle it ?? Hmmmmm the world will never know

[LtDad]

surprised the pics arent up....then it would be a total open season with no limits.....just remember what goes around comes around.....hey ihr seit alle eine grosse Gruppe von Schwanzlutschern, ihr nehmt doch alle gern die Fleisch-Peitsche in den Mund also kommt mal vorbei vielleicht lassen wir euch mal lutschen..... WHACKERS...... :cool:

[sandpuppy]

surprised the pics arent up....then it would be a total open season with no limits.....just remember what goes around comes around.....hey ihr seit alle eine grosse Gruppe von Schwanzlutschern, ihr nehmt doch alle gern die Fleisch-Peitsche in den Mund also kommt mal vorbei vielleicht lassen wir euch mal lutschen..... WHACKERS...... :cool:
I see your still talking out of your backside.

[jackas93]

Ltdad is saying that it takes four tow trucks to pull a aerialscope out of the bushes and his driving skills ain't worth a shit . Ltdad stay at 22 and stay on the asphalt.

[sandpuppy]

Ltdad is saying that it takes four tow trucks to pull a aerialscope out of the bushes and his driving skills ain't worth a shit . Ltdad stay at 22 and stay on the asphalt.
Thats know way to talk to a senior citizen who's bigger than you. you know he may be able to teach you a thing or two........nah probally not

[LtDad]

I can see the future of emergency dispatches on the pagers now....."fiirr at 2114 handover wuud...tation169324 reespund".....I certainly hope management has an english writing skills program for sandpuppy whiles he's at dispatch.... :eek:

[sandpuppy]

I can see the future of emergency dispatches on the pagers now....."fiirr at 2114 handover wuud...tation169324 reespund".....I certainly hope management has an english writing skills program for sandpuppy whiles he's at dispatch.... :eek:
i can see that your diploma that you got out of the cracker jack box is working out for you :eek:

[MTFD515]

hey even the everyday truck drivers have there bad days!!! I have to say, I've driven with Lt dad on T-122 a couple of years ago and I'm still alive. a little gray but alive!! just kidding!!!

[LtDad]

I remember that little ride....did you guys buy a Pierce...??

[MTFD515]

unfortunately not and that is a very rough subject with me. I'll have to explain later when not so many eyes are on me....The new truck shuld go in service on tuedays.

[LtDad]

what did you wind up with...???

[MTFD515]

a 100 ft Ferrara tower ladder, 6 man cab, no pump (there are 4 class A pumpers within a 1/2 mile of us) We are taking delivery on Tuesday if everything goes well. The date has been pushed back once already. There is a pic on http://nlcfirephotos.blogspot.com/ I tried to load a pic on this thread but it would not let me. The lettering on the truck is being changed due to it being all wrong. (Thats a long story)

[LtDad]

Shipmans didnt put 16 in gold leaf lettering did they...????....nice truck by the way...

[MTFD515]

if it would have had "16" on it, some of us would of been glad to drop it off at the 16 house!!! no seriously the truck is well built and should serve our community very well. it has 8 calls under it's chasis, just no fires yet! someday..........

[Towerhook]

MTFD, Changing your mind? Your falling in LOVE with your new truck, arn't you :) LOL
I just hope it last more then 5 years with out major problems, unlike SQ-A......

[MTFD515]

for the record, I do not love the truck!!! I just support it from a officers stand point, I WANTED to see another pierce in the house!

[Towerhook]

Now MTFD, you’re getting emotional about the truck. I see you’re a company man. :)

[MTFD515]

ok, I'm sorry!!!!!

[LtDad]

MTFD....not that I should talk about getting a tower truck stuck....little birdie mentioned that tower 25 had its own recent episode....true/false....

[MTFD515]

True, very,very minor damage

[Towerhook]

Its true I looked at it, :) Just a rub mark

[25truck]

What are you gonna do, stuff happens. Some day it will prove to be worth the price they paid for it.