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Sucka_Free

07-27-2006, 01:46 AM

As I was working the streets today, i have noticed for the past couple days, that the first of 9 new units have been delivered to stations. Far as I know, M14, M4, A22, A25, and A18 has been delivered. Are they replacing the whole fleet, how sooner or later? With the addition of these new units, that means the city wouldn't have a problem with keeping up with supply and demand of the reserve fleet. But correct me if, I'm wrong, didn't the city just buy units with the red white and blue paint scheme no more than 2 years ago? And are firefighters going to continue to staff them?

Any EMS only personnel feel free to respond.

Loo for life

07-27-2006, 11:56 AM

As the units come in they will replace the old ones and the department only had the two units white over red they were A16 and Medic 26...They were demo units purchased by the FMD!

Yes the attempt is to update the fleet!

All units not just the ones manned by Firemen!

NorthSTAR

07-28-2006, 09:50 PM

Sucka- half of the RWB paint scheme ambos are almost 5 years old. I beleive the first ones were delivered in 1/02.

EMS Only

07-29-2006, 01:10 PM

Sucka_Free

07-29-2006, 02:35 PM

First things first. The title of this thread needs to be changed ("9 New EMS(firefighter)Ambulances"). These are not just FF ambulances, they belong to the DC. Fire & EMS Services Department. Notice the "EMS" in the agency name.

Once again some poor little FF feels the need to feel superior to all.

I never said that they were just FIREFIGHTER AMBULANCES. Yes, they do belong to the DC Fire & EMS Dept. The only thing I was saying is that now that the newer trucks are pouring in, then the reserve fleet should be fat with some newer reserves that are no more than 5 years old.

NorthSTAR,
I do know that some of the RWB ambos are pushing the 5 year mark, but I was inquiring about those with the wide mirrors cant be no more than 2 years old, unless they're slightly older than that.

Dumbo

07-29-2006, 05:14 PM

My new Ambo has D.C.F.D. on the back.

Backstep

07-29-2006, 10:12 PM

First things first. The title of this thread needs to be changed ("9 New EMS(firefighter)Ambulances"). These are not just FF ambulances, they belong to the DC. Fire & EMS Services Department. Notice the "EMS" in the agency name.

Once again some poor little FF feels the need to feel superior to all.

EMS Only - This is why nobody here likes you. Nobody said anything about EMS vs. Fire and YOU had to start an arguement. Just like you ALWAYS do. Sounds to me like somone is a little insecure about themself. When I looked at the new ambulances they said D.C.F.D. on the back.

In any case they will ALL be Firefighter ambulances soon enough.

James Freeman

07-29-2006, 11:00 PM

Now now brothers...He has to be "made whole". :D

EMS Only

07-30-2006, 12:15 AM

EMS Only - This is why nobody here likes you. Nobody said anything about EMS vs. Fire and YOU had to start an arguement. Just like you ALWAYS do. Sounds to me like somone is a little insecure about themself. When I looked at the new ambulances they said D.C.F.D. on the back.

In any case they will ALL be Firefighter ambulances soon enough.

Once again someone has misunderstood, and yes it was a FF (I guess). I just made a statement about the title of the thread. As far as the lettering on the new units, it must have been done wrong since they left out EMS. The department is no longer DCFD (District of Columbia Fire Department for those of you that do not understand abreviations). The agency is called DC. Fire & EMS Services Department, learn it, live it, remember it. :D

dcfdsid

07-30-2006, 09:50 AM

EMS Only

07-30-2006, 02:09 PM

I guess our new turn out gear is wrong too. They all display DCFD.

EMS is merely a division of the Fire Department. Get your head out of your ass and understand that this is a business. When was the last time you saw a sign for McDonalds that said "McDonalds and we do chicken too"

Sid

If this is as you say "a business", then they are false advertising and could be sued for such. And yes your new turnout coats are wrong. As i said before it is DC. Fire and Emergency Medical Services Department, no longer is it DCFD. Yes it is a division within the agency and so is fire. Unfortunatley it is people like who who corrupt the minds of our young employee's and make them think they are better than all. In fact those attitudes do not impress most, only small minds would be proud of a rookie ff who says f#%k EMS. Therefore you need to get your head out of your ass and wake up and take a look at the real world, not the fire fighter fantasy world. :cool:

dcfdsid

07-30-2006, 02:33 PM

If this is as you say "a business", then they are false advertising and could be sued for such. And yes your new turnout coats are wrong. As i said before it is DC. Fire and Emergency Medical Services Department, no longer is it DCFD. Yes it is a division within the agency and so is fire. Unfortunatley it is people like who who corrupt the minds of our young employee's and make them think they are better than all. In fact those attitudes do not impress most, only small minds would be proud of a rookie ff who says f#%k EMS. Therefore you need to get your head out of your ass and wake up and take a look at the real world, not the fire fighter fantasy world. :cool:

you obviously have no clue who I am and know nothing about me.

It is much simpler to just put DCFD on the Ambos, Engines, Trucks, Squads, and turnout gear. It also costs much less. Price per letter multiplied by how many new coats, not to mention the nomex stitching! We are the District of Columbia Fire Department. We handle fire, EMS, hazmat, rescue operations, tenant landlord disputes, water leaks, and many of the Police problems because you are always garuanteed a firetruck when you call 9-1-1 and not always a cop. If we spent the time and money to put all of that on our rigs and gear then we would still be sewing and we would still be goldleafing. You are the one who needs to remove his/her head from his/her ass.

You constantly post on here about how it is not Fire Vs. EMS or EMS Vs. Fire but you merely use that as a preface to a diatribe on how WE the firefighters are all so small minded and ignorant.

If you have so much pride in your EMS skills and so much disdain for those of us you believe are ruining your great AGENCY, then why dont you start using your name. Add a little creedence to your posts. Until then, lay down and be quiet little person.

Sid

Sucka_Free

07-30-2006, 10:11 PM

EMS ONLY;
What is the problem with the name of the thread? Can Sid be right about you? Nobody is here trying to make this thread some kind of beef and shit like that, and no one here is discrediting the Fire or EMS side of the coin. I'm quite sure you have a whole lot of better things to do, than to come on here and throw your little disgrunteled comments on a thread that was merely meant to gain input on those who ride an ambulance, and how they feel about the replacement of the whole fleet, one personally that I believed needed a serious overhaul since the turn of the century. Just be glad you have a new unit to ride in, and don't be so quick to jump to conclusions about minor issues.

Hypertension kills!!!!!!!

Oh, and by the way;
They do read DCFD on the front and back of the units. But reads DC Fire and EMS on the sides.

Loo for life

07-31-2006, 11:35 AM

Hey EMS only:

You little piss ant do you ever comment for the good of the whole or just to cry about something.

Show me where the Departments name was officially changed by legislation and I may agree with you but I haven't been able to find it any where...

MPD or District of Columbia Police Department....or District of Columbia Metropolitain Police Department.

and you are right about one thing we started going down hill when they started calling us just another city agency and not the department..

So as usual relax little man and let the men and women of the DC Fire Department handle the job as we always do!

Have a nice day little man ;)

Backstep

07-31-2006, 01:31 PM

Once again someone has misunderstood, and yes it was a FF (I guess). I just made a statement about the title of the thread. As far as the lettering on the new units, it must have been done wrong since they left out EMS. The department is no longer DCFD (District of Columbia Fire Department for those of you that do not understand abreviations). The agency is called DC. Fire & EMS Services Department, learn it, live it, remember it. :D

Once again little man you just don't know how it is. If you had put up a thread about the "10 EMS Engine Companys" I would not have gotten all bent out of shape and I would not have asked for the thread to be renamed the "10 EMS (Firefighter) Engine companys".

You just seem to like the EMS Vs. Fire mentality that this whole transition has made worse this last several years.

Yes, the name of our dept seems to be currently DCF&EMSD but I see no official legislation stating such. Since I have come on the job the turnout has been changed to DCFD, the official collar brass has changed to DC-FD, the Ambos have DCFD on them, and the new Engine and Truck companys have DCFD Patches embroidered in the seats.

Maybe they are trying to improve morale. It was a better place when it was still "the Fire Department".

DvlsAdvct

08-01-2006, 07:48 AM

Oooooooh. I think I know EMS Only. Theres only one guy I know who talks about the charter of the Dept. and the "proper" name of the agencey.

Pumperman

08-01-2006, 08:29 AM

EMS only

Get on board; transfer over to a new pension, a new promotion system or you and the 100 or so will all be gone in a few years.

SATANS CHILD

08-01-2006, 12:22 PM

Once again someone has misunderstood, and yes it was a FF (I guess). I just made a statement about the title of the thread. As far as the lettering on the new units, it must have been done wrong since they left out EMS. The department is no longer DCFD (District of Columbia Fire Department for those of you that do not understand abreviations). The agency is called DC. Fire & EMS Services Department, learn it, live it, remember it. :D
So, you work for the District of Columbia Fire & Emergency Medical Service Services Department? Well......while YOU "learn it, live it, remember it" I, on the other hand will continue to work for the District of Columbia Fire Department (right hand held high as I was sworn into the District of Columbia Fire Department)
One day soon, you may be able to be sworn in as a member of the DCFD also......keep your head up and keep reaching for the stars

Tk_3_Barman

08-02-2006, 04:39 PM

So, you work for the District of Columbia Fire & Emergency Medical Service Services Department? Well......while YOU "learn it, live it, remember it" I, on the other hand will continue to work for the District of Columbia Fire Department (right hand held high as I was sworn into the District of Columbia Fire Department)
One day soon, you may be able to be sworn in as a member of the DCFD also......keep your head up and keep reaching for the stars

Amen! :D :D

I was sworn into DCFD as well, and proud of it. :D

Dumbo

08-03-2006, 10:14 PM

Don't worry you may think that the DCFD is dead, however, the FDDC lives still to this day. So long live the DCFD!

sbchasin

08-04-2006, 01:20 AM

Yes, the name of our dept seems to be currently DCF&EMSD but I see no official legislation stating such. Since I have come on the job the turnout has been changed to DCFD, the official collar brass has changed to DC-FD, the Ambos have DCFD on them, and the new Engine and Truck companys have DCFD Patches embroidered in the seats...

Redesignation of fire department: See Mayor's Order 90-147, October 31, 1990.

Haven't found it online yet. Probably will have to get a hard copy next time I'm at 441...

:cool:

Brooks

08-04-2006, 04:28 AM

I think we should rename the department the
District of Columbia Fire, EMS, Technical Rescue, HazMat, Disaster Response, Fire Prevention, and Arson Investigation Department.

Or maybe we could just consider that the 'Fire Department' covers all that and go back to DCFD.

Tk_3_Barman

08-04-2006, 12:11 PM

Don’t forget guidance councilor for the inebriated.

Backstep

08-04-2006, 01:21 PM

Redesignation of fire department: See Mayor's Order 90-147, October 31, 1990.

Haven't found it online yet. Probably will have to get a hard copy next time I'm at 441...

:cool:

Wow, you remember what order it was and when it was issued? I'm impressed, and stand corrected.

Welcome to the District of Columbia EMS Department.
Oh yeah, we have some firetrucks too.

sbchasin

08-04-2006, 01:32 PM

Wow, you remember what order it was and when it was issued? I'm impressed, and stand corrected.

Welcome to the District of Columbia EMS Department.
Oh yeah, we have some firetrucks too.

Nah...I'm not THAT good! :D

I was trying to look it up in the DC Code, and it was referenced there.

§5-401 DC Code.

You can get there by clicking here (http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=DCC-1000)

:cool:

SlowYaRole

08-04-2006, 05:36 PM

Sucka_Free

08-04-2006, 10:44 PM

hey suckafree....they bought 29 ford/horton's and then the 2 demos(also ford/horton) all from fesco...they do have like 4 or 5 red,white,and,blue wheeled coach ambos that are 2004-05...and as far as old ambos go i know that m-4 and m-14(both with strobe lights) are both 2001's.....

Yeah, I hear ya, however M14 and M04 have their new units in service already. Wanna start a pool to see which one gets banged up first?????

Loo for life

08-08-2006, 12:54 PM

Nah...I'm not THAT good! :D

I was trying to look it up in the DC Code, and it was referenced there.

§5-401 DC Code.

You can get there by clicking here (http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=DCC-1000)

:cool:

I found in the same code which states we are the Fire Department of the District of Columbia, it references numerous times the "DC Fire and EMS and DC Fire Department but at no point has the legislation that flows through the DC Council onto Congress that we were ever officially changed to anything other than DCFD. Mayors order is cosmetic and that is what we are known as right now among the city, but officially we are still "The Fire Department of the District of Columbia"

SATANS CHILD

08-08-2006, 07:36 PM

I found in the same code which states we are the Fire Department of the District of Columbia, it references numerous times the "DC Fire and EMS and DC Fire Department but at no point has the legislation that flows through the DC Council onto Congress that we were ever officially changed to anything other than DCFD. Mayors order is cosmetic and that is what we are known as right now among the city, but officially we are still "The Fire Department of the District of Columbia"

DAAAAAAAAMN.....thats gotta taste a lil bitter to some.
I kinda like it tho

Rich Schaffer

08-08-2006, 09:06 PM

[QUOTE=Brooks]I think we should rename the department the
District of Columbia Fire, EMS, Technical Rescue, HazMat, Disaster Response, Fire Prevention, and Arson Investigation Department.

Or maybe we could just consider that the 'Fire Department' covers all that and go back to DCFD.[/QUOTE

you left out fireboat.

GhostTruckie

08-19-2006, 02:04 PM

ktflame

08-28-2006, 04:31 AM

EMS beware

AMR is in the area, so if you don't get on the bandwagon soon I will pray for you. Trust me you will go to the FD on your knees after a few years of that madness. System Status Management and hanging out on the corner is not my idea of fun. You will not get a worthwhile retirement at all. Just remember the next time you are at GW or any other ER in the city, welcome your new employers. :)

EMS Only

08-28-2006, 12:28 PM

Plumber,electrical contractor,roofer,taxi driver,animal catcher,nose picker,ass wiper,pick me upper,cook yes I said cook,help me get this dress off(old lady had it stuck around her neck) DO YOU ems only NEED ANY MORE , DO WE THE FIREMEN HAVE TO SAY MORE, or you just that stupid!!!!!? If you can`t take it go to a kinder nicer dept. some where else this the DCFD you dumb fuck!!!!

Actually I have done those jobs that you mention. With exception to the 2 you hold title to (nose picker & ass wiper) can you do them both at the same time.
And I am by no means stupid, that's how I have kept my job and stayed out of trouble for so long. I generally have no problem with ff's, after all I have been one, or am I still here on the job as one. That is for you to think about. EMS is the wave of the future for all fire services so those of you who hate it need to be the ones to either deal with it or get out, because it is here to stay. So enjoy your job.

DvlsAdvct

09-02-2006, 09:11 AM

You are right KT, they are here and they are hungry. Thats what they do. They go to troubled systems and try to get at minimum BLS transport rights. I would bet that if that happened the PEC's would be here to stay and FD run transport units would go bye-bye. Its much easier for the FD to control the ALS side of the house and all the potential liability and other issues if ALS stays in their realm. VS letting the private do ALS too. They could then ditch the tranport headache.

Its almost perfect, control ALS with good training, supervision, QA, etc. and keep your times down with the PEC's. Then have a BLS private come in and handle the rides. Just keep in mind that things dont always go well contractualy with municipal govt. and private industry. I am sure they would bill for service and then expect a subsidy from DC to make sure they break even.

What do you think of this model Brooks? Stay safe all.

EMS Only, quit player hatin! If you are not liking the gig here, there are many other places around that will take you I am sure, wait, all the jurisdictions around here require you to be a FF too. Awwww, shucks ma.

Brooks

09-02-2006, 09:13 PM

As far as I'm concerned, the idea of running a public service like a business is a good one, IF the contract is good. Unfortunately, they tend to have shit for pay and benefits, because, well, they can - and that's a topic for another day.

Richmond, VA, a city similar but smaller than DC, has an Ambulance Authority that contracts EMS transport service to a private provider - Much like DC has a Water and Sewer Authority that generally contracts out construction of Water & Sewer. For all I know they contract out operation of their water treatment plants.

Richmond runs slightly less than half of the EMS runs we make, and does it at a cost of roughtly $2.5M, plus billing.

I personally don't mind making runs when I'm on the ambulance. I just don't like being on it in general, and I hate the disruption caused by all the details, and I fear a situation where 1/4 of our officer's experience is from EMS transport duty.

If anyone tried to run DC EMS efficiently, I would hope that they #1 pay and compensate well #2 limit time spent on street posting #3 provide meal, hygeine, and relief breaks. It wouldn't be too difficult to guarantee a run an hour for all units, so providing these breaks would be necessary.

A well run municipal EMS system in DC, with good pay and benefits, and conscientious treatment of employees would attract ALS providers from around the country, people attracted to performing the job, rather than Earning Money Sleeping.