Cbd

[xmas]

Is CBD closing at the end of Oct, There sure is lot of talk out there that its going to happen, What happened to the union sayinf no way it would close.

[Outsider]

xmas, This local dosen't have enough pull, to open a Door.

They're all talk, they talk about going to Capitol Hill, and having meetings with all the so called "Big Wigs", but they're just like the Politicians they're talking to and backing, they're "All Talk", and "No Action".

[James Freeman]

The "union" at NDW has traditionally been a "company union". That is, a union in name only. It exists to fill a few personal agendas just like management's. The union has not and will not go against the wishes of the Fire Chief or Bldg 200 even if those "wishes" are wrong, illegal or unsafe. I wonder how those "black ops" personnel down at CBD will feel when they find out that the fire station that THEY are paying for is closing? For years those "air force" personnel (you know, those "civilians" that have those strange "DoD" badges and come to work in Gov't vehicles only out at the round communications domes) basically paid for the FD to be at CBD. NRL contibuted
very little of the actual expense. Kind of like when White Oak was given over to the Air Force with the Navy (NDW) promise to provide fire prtoection and environmental clean up. We all saw how THAT worked out! Same ol' same ol' If the plan proceeds as scheduled, Carderock will be next to go. You can be sure of one thing, though, the
fire Chief and his hand-picked "helpers" will NOT see a reduction in pay or jobs or grade ratings. The Fire Chief and his "helpers" will not be shuffled around or put on the street. It will be the firefighters on the floor that get kicked in the teeth. The budget will continue to be the same or higher and the workload will get heavier and it will be done with less people (firefighters) working more time and getting less pay and less opportunity for leave. When a firefighter takes (or tries to take) sick leave he must damned near face an inquest by management and the "union" ignores it. When apparatus goes down, or repairs are not made, or made improperly management dares you to say something and the "union" says "don't make trouble". But those "command vehicles" and "chief's vehicles" get taken care of top priority! If a firefighter needs leave and travel expense for training...it ain't gonna happen! "no manpower or money available". But if the Chief or one of his "helpers" or a "union rep" needs leave or travel expenses, then the money is magically there! Imagine that!

Don't know the solution to your problems ... I just know that you have problems. Maybe it's time for some new representation/union?

[xmas]

Here's one for you, the union is going to fight so we can wear our ball caps backwards, if they when this we need to raise the union dues and send them on some more trips. CBD don't worry the union say's they will never close you.

[firechief46]

What its going to look like when the boys of NDW come and take the monkeys out of CBD.

[coondog]

If ****, and ****could get thier heads out of each others asses we might be able to get something done. This union is just a big joke, a front for ***** and **** to do no work, and go and play on all of our money. Lets go to Palm Springs ****, we can get a tan and act like we are getting some work done but were really just getting a free vacation out of it on everyone elses dime. Why did our union dues go up so much, because **** is trying to set himself up with a weekly paycheck, union vehicle to drive everywhere he goes and a house to rent to act as a union office. We all know what that house will be used for **** and ****** secret love affair hide away. I just hope that more members realize what the future holds for our big almighty union. ********* sitting back laughing as they count the dollars they can waste on unimportant stuff.

[firechief46]

What Union vehicle?

[firechief46]

Maybe a breath mint will change the members opinion?

[xmas]

Any truth we are getting a meeting on Friday that we are closing.

[MR.POTATO HEAD]

Xmas, you may not remember when the personnel director notified you that you were fired for not getting your "B" license during your probationary period. You were to be out the door at the end of the business day (I was there and heard it). Our Union Pres. wasn't worried about caps that day was he? Please stop fueling the fire towards our union. Just don't forget where you came from. You never know what direction you'll be heading next. you really need to calm the fire on the bridge behind you. Good luck to you and your family.

[Outsider]

Well, the Brothers at CBD haven't heard anything from the so called "Big Bad Local f-121" , because they haven't a clue of what's happening, and you want to know why they don't have a clue, because they don't have to be told anything, again, they have no pull in the Federal Government. Ask them about the progress of their ULP againest the Fire Chief, talk about a waste of paper.

Maybe one of the so called officer's, that think they are in the know, might want to tell their Brothers something on here, because they sure as Hell are not telling their "DUES" paying Brothers anything through the normal channels.

What a waste of good money, but hey, "Fully paid vacations" are a nice perk.

[firechief46]

Don't you feel sometimes as though you are a monkey in the grasp of a mad scientist who's about to perform a God awful experiment on your A**?

[Twig]

The count-down begins!!! Oh yeah! That's right! F-121 will save you! :p

[firechief46]

Nothing like having a monkey with his finger on the CBD button.

[Outsider]

Fagchief46, Why don't you keep these "Fag Ass" monkey pic's on your thread.

You were, and still are, so F'n useless.

[firechief46]

I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky?....Well, do ya punk?

[James Freeman]

Laugh all you want! I hear that USNA FD is going to lose some more apparatus and positions too!

[firechief46]

Oh no, better listen to Mr. Freeman and get out the chapstick and pucker up those lips to save your great paying GS jobs. Just pucker those lips and close your eyes, it isn't that bad. C'mon I know some of you boys have had a great amount of experience in this. How do I know because Hap would always make a comment about how chapped his ass was! Or was that chaffed? Well, it really does not matter.

The real question is, "who will be the first to step up to bat?"

[Outsider]

Well Guy's and Gal, looks like all the big talk and political A** Kissing by your big powerful local, and it's so called officer's, didn't do you a bit of good.

Let's take a look at what's happening here, 2 stations are being closed, manpower cuts across the board, an ALS Unit being cut back to a BLS unit (Yes it's going to happen), and you guy's at Carderrock (you better work all the O/T you can), rumor mill say's the Navy is looking for some padlocks for your doors too.

Yeah, your hard earned money that your spending toward your dues, is doing you all a lot of good, hey people, anybody can spend $2.50 on the internet and get a iaff sticker.

[Chief46]

Outsider,

I suppose you could be right. It is a possibility. After all, you do have a 50% chance of being right. But with that said...

I am an optimist. I prefer to look at the glass as half full, so I will go with the union as at least they are doing "something." And "something" is better than what you are doing which is nothing (unless you want to consider the ill will you are sharing as something).

Will the union's efforts stop CBD and others from closing or reducing staffing? I don't know. But I do believe that if it was such an easy slam dunk to do all that management wants closed/reduced, it would have already been shut down. So maybe, just maybe, the union is slowing the process down. Just maybe, they do have some political clout. Just maybe, they know more than you. And just maybe, they could never do anything to satisfy you.

I believe that they have had some kind of positive impact on the CBD/USNA/IH reductions. They certainly have drawn attention to the matter in the papers, in the local governments and in Congress.

Seems that Ft Meade went down this road about 2 years ago when the Army was going to do away with EMS on the post. The union got involved and EMS is still present at Meade. So to say union are not effective is to be blind to history. Just maybe two years from now we are still here listening to you bitch about how the union can't stop the CBD closing. If so, I would call the "two years" a victory for the union.

And I want to correct something you have repeatedly stated here, NDW did not receive fire grant funds as you alluded to. That would be illegal as one federal agency can not issue a grant to another federal agency. So any money that NDW received for apparatus did not come from the fire grant programs that city and volunteer departments received funds from. Those funds came from special appropriations, I think Ft Meade is receiving them this year because their union's efforts.

I don't know which way it will go, but I don't mind paying my dues and giving them the opportunity to do something. Because doing nothing is just a welcome sign for failure. Your strategy of do nothing and bitching constantly equals failure.

I do know one final thing, having worked with and known the President for more than 20 years I can say he is an honest player in everything he does. He is fair and reasonable. As for his lowly little assistant, I would say the same is true but he is more likely to act like a pit bull (guard your ankles) and get under your skin than the President.

[Chief46]

Looks like the IAFF candidates won last night. So, maybe they do know something? Eitherway, since they supported those that won maybe they have a little more political clout today than they did yesterday. And that can't be bad for the fire fighters and the local.

[Twig]

Chief46 you really believe that stuff, don't you?

[Chief46]

Yeah, I do. It is kind of like my belief in God or my belief that my fellow man will come to my aid in times of need. So far that belief has not let me down. It hasn't always turned out the way I wanted but I certainly found comfort in knowing someone was there willing to help. Kind of like how people rely upon 911 when they are need, they call and we arrive to help.