East Vs. West

[somedaycaptain]

East Coast = People Savers
West Coast = Foundation Savers
WHEN YOU NEED THE BEST, DON'T DEPEND ON THE WEST!

[Jim911Fire]

LOL....just curious....is this wisdom from all of your years of experience in the fire service? And just how many is that? Thought so.

[LtDad]

Let me know when someday captain makes it as a captain....I'll make sure nobody I know buys a house in his/her district.....

[somedaycaptain]

LOL....just curious....is this wisdom from all of your years of experience in the fire service? And just how many is that? Thought so.


No, there isn't any wisdom involved, Its common knowledge that the east coast is better than the west coast!

[Jim911Fire]

You missed the point young one.....I was pointing out that you don't have enough laps around the block to know fact from fiction. Now you can post all sorts of stuff about who is better and who sucks all day long. I could post all sorts of opinions I have about East vs West but I won't for a number of reasons. First I have no need to get into pissing contests with everyone from the East side. Second, I HAVE been around the block more than enough laps to KNOW that BOTH East & West have issues (Strengths & Weaknesses, Pros & Cons) and neither is all that bitchin. Both do the same job in a different manner, but our goal is always the same, or at the very least I hope it is. Regardless of the situation, I do what ensures my crew makes it home to their families. If that means we right off the building and let it burn, then hell yes.

[FF IN TRAINING]

You missed the point young one.....I was pointing out that you don't have enough laps around the block to know fact from fiction. Now you can post all sorts of stuff about who is better and who sucks all day long. I could post all sorts of opinions I have about East vs West but I won't for a number of reasons. First I have no need to get into pissing contests with everyone from the East side. Second, I HAVE been around the block more than enough laps to KNOW that BOTH East & West have issues (Strengths & Weaknesses, Pros & Cons) and neither is all that bitchin. Both do the same job in a different manner, but our goal is always the same, or at the very least I hope it is. Regardless of the situation, I do what ensures my crew makes it home to their families. If that means we right off the building and let it burn, then hell yes.

Fact or fiction.... Whatever you save, if that be a foundaiton, shit, as long as no lives is lost...... who the hell cares, we all have different problems we must live with.... the bottom line... east vs west..; who the hell cares, if you are on my line.....Your a brother, and I will do my best to protect you and I... No matter what the poitics, or others say..... PEACE We go in and out together

[jackas93]

Do you know why they save foundations in the west? Putting the fire out with an airplane or helicopter the water washes the wood down the road

[DC8FD]

Fact or fiction.... Whatever you save, if that be a foundaiton, shit, as long as no lives is lost...... who the hell cares, we all have different problems we must live with.... the bottom line... east vs west..; who the hell cares, if you are on my line.....Your a brother, and I will do my best to protect you and I... No matter what the poitics, or others say..... PEACE We go in and out together


YOUNG MAN, I APPLAUD YOU!! YOU SEEM TO HAVE IN YOUR HEART WHAT FIREFIGHTING IS ALL ABOUT!! FROM THIS EAST COAST FIREFIGHTER (DCFD), STAY SAFE, STAY LOW AND ALWAYS KEEP THAT ATTITUDE. :D

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

Jim911Fire Suge Knight and somedaycaptain Sean DiddyCombs, I thought you two settled your differences back in the late 90's. I thought you two agreed that both coast can burn sh*t down. We need one love between the coast brothers :D

[paddiegrunt]

No matter what happens, all the fun is getting there

[JetDriver33]

East Coast defenitly has the best fireman anywhere.
Their is even a 100% volunteer house that would kick the asses of the west coast best www.kentland33.com
:D

[truthteller2]

You missed the point young one.....I was pointing out that you don't have enough laps around the block to know fact from fiction. Now you can post all sorts of stuff about who is better and who sucks all day long. I could post all sorts of opinions I have about East vs West but I won't for a number of reasons. First I have no need to get into pissing contests with everyone from the East side. Second, I HAVE been around the block more than enough laps to KNOW that BOTH East & West have issues (Strengths & Weaknesses, Pros & Cons) and neither is all that bitchin. Both do the same job in a different manner, but our goal is always the same, or at the very least I hope it is. Regardless of the situation, I do what ensures my crew makes it home to their families. If that means we right off the building and let it burn, then hell yes.
could not have said it better brother

[Flashover21]

East Coast defenitly has the best fireman anywhere.
Their is even a 100% volunteer house that would kick the asses of the west coast best www.kentland33.com
:D


yea cause remember kentland is the best ever! my god what would we do without them!!! i wish we could call them mutual aid so they could put out our fires for us!

[somedaycaptain]

yea cause remember kentland is the best ever! my god what would we do without them!!! i wish we could call them mutual aid so they could put out our fires for us!

i bet they do to, so they can show you how it is done here on the east coast

[Flashover21]

I am from the east coast, northeast actually, and we really dont need any help

[Doorkicker]

Oh yeah, Just ask the other companies in Pretty Good County and they will tell you that no fire goes out without the help of kentland?! Bunch of dangerous cowboys, idiots.

[SM5279]

If kentland was so god awful GREAT...PG county would have 46 career fire stations and only one volunteer station cause everyone would be at kentland, right? NOT!

[JetDriver33]

Thats why nobody messes with KENTLAND!
AACO your sorry ass fire dept totally SUCKS talk about some serious curb squirting foundation saving pieces of shit.
Prince George's enroute to AACO so the fire will finally go out.

[friez139]

Was there an actual purpose to this thread?

I am an East Coast firefighter and I have pride in my department and its capibilities. But I dare any "East Coast firefighter" to become a smokejumper. I give those guys and gals out there alot of credit for doing it. It's bad enough that they jump out of a perficly fine aircraft, let alone jumping into hell.

GROW THE PISS UP!

[EMT/FF99]

Very much applaud your thoughts to this. Fact or fiction.... Whatever you save, if that be a foundaiton, shit, as long as no lives is lost...... who the hell cares, we all have different problems we must live with.... the bottom line... east vs west..; who the hell cares, if you are on my line.....Your a brother, and I will do my best to protect you and I... No matter what the poitics, or others say..... PEACE We go in and out together
Eric, You know damn well I agree with your comment also. The countless times I have stated that a Smokejumper or Woodlands FF has it completely different -vs- what a SF (as ourselves) does. The roles are the same but yet different too.

[Kissmyaxe]

I'm on the east coast, but nothing beats a West coast Wildland fire... miles compared to acres boys, now grow up... I grew up in L.A. and the guys out there bust their asses just like we do here...

[Chia6004]

HAHAHAHA. I challenge any east coast firefighter to come out and fight our wildfires. You'll be going down 35 feet into the hoselay, a short hoselay is considered 3000 feet btw, there's nothing like it and unless you've been on a 55k acre fire or greater that's being fueled by 75+ mph winds you have NO room to talk.

Fire Siege veteran here and what I saw during those 10 days is something that most people will go their entire career and never see.

None the less it's all the same job at the end of the day. Stay safe all.

[somedaycaptain]

when i started this thread, i wasn't talking about wildland fires because the firefighters that do that are awsome, but you all arn't just west coast personnel either, i know a lot of from the east coast but that is besides the point, the point was structure, dwelling fires.... by the way, y'all are taking this way to seriously.....

[EMT/FF99]

Chia, I have the UTMOST respect for all Wildland FFs, I will stay to play in a structure fire anyday of the week & 4x on Sunday, however Wildland Firefighting? To me that is a completely different breed of an exotic & rare animal.

HAHAHAHA. I challenge any east coast firefighter to come out and fight our wildfires. You'll be going down 35 feet into the hoselay, a short hoselay is considered 3000 feet btw, there's nothing like it and unless you've been on a 55k acre fire or greater that's being fueled by 75+ mph winds you have NO room to talk.

Fire Siege veteran here and what I saw during those 10 days is something that most people will go their entire career and never see.

None the less it's all the same job at the end of the day. Stay safe all.

[vafirefighter91]

Fuck a brush fire, let it burn to the ocean. LOL. Seriously, I am an east coast firemen as well. If there is no life hazard, and there is nothing left to be saved. Then there is no reason to get anybody hurt. Try putting yourself in the shoes of the chief who has to tell your wife, mother, and children their father died tring to save some smoke stained clothes and charred wet pictures.

" Everyone goes home "

Sincerly, your brother in battle.

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

Fuck a brush fire, let it burn to the ocean. LOL. Seriously, I am an east coast firemen as well. If there is no life hazard, and there is nothing left to be saved. Then there is no reason to get anybody hurt. Try putting yourself in the shoes of the chief who has to tell your wife, mother, and children their father died tring to save some smoke stained clothes and charred wet pictures.

" Everyone goes home "

Sincerly, your brother in battle.
What the heck are you talking about? “Save some smoke stained clothes and charred wet pictures”, that stupid logic can apply to you too. How many fires have you rolled up on and was informed that everyone was accounted for, did you stand outside or did you go in and try to save their property?

“let it burn to the ocean”, funny to you, but I have been to LA and those hills and canyons are loaded with lives and property. Those firefighters out there have the same responsibility as you do under very different circumstances and conditions, a bet they wish they always had a hydrant in front of the house, on the flat street with no burning chaparral barring down on them.

I thought some of this was good nature ribbing, but now I think some of you are just plain ignorant, do you think these guys are sitting in a field with a brush truck waiting for the next grass fire? I can tell you this the same guys fighting those brush fires are also fighting house fires, high rise fires, commercial building fires, running highway incidents, emergency medical calls in some pretty dangerous neighborhoods. Some of those west coast guys are running a lot of unique and dynamic incidents, not the occasional single family dwelling or garden apartment that some you east coast supermen are running.

I’m pretty sure they want to go home too!

[somedaycaptain]

What the heck are you talking about? “Save some smoke stained clothes and charred wet pictures”, that stupid logic can apply to you too. How many fires have you rolled up on and was informed that everyone was accounted for, did you stand outside or did you go in and try to save their property?

“let it burn to the ocean”, funny to you, but I have been to LA and those hills and canyons are loaded with lives and property. Those firefighters out there have the same responsibility as you do under very different circumstances and conditions, a bet they wish they always had a hydrant in front of the house, on the flat street with no burning chaparral barring down on them.

I thought some of this was good nature ribbing, but now I think some of you are just plain ignorant, do you think these guys are sitting in a field with a brush truck waiting for the next grass fire? I can tell you this the same guys fighting those brush fires are also fighting house fires, high rise fires, commercial building fires, running highway incidents, emergency medical calls in some pretty dangerous neighborhoods. Some of those west coast guys are running a lot of unique and dynamic incidents, not the occasional single family dwelling or garden apartment that some you east coast supermen are running.

I’m pretty sure they want to go home too!

this did start out as some good nature ribbing. I have lots of respect for all firefighters, was just trying to have some fun, some people just have to take it to the the other end of the spectrum and put in their ingnorance

[vafirefighter91]

Hey, On the job. Calm down. It was joke about the brush fires. I've been to a few big mountain fires in VA. Nothing like those west coast monsters, but decent size fires. I know how hard it can be fighting a fast moving fire through rocky terrain. It was just a joke. As for structual fires. I don't mean you should watch a single room an contents fire burn a house down, because they say everyone is out. My point was, if it's obvious no one can be saved, or nothing is going to be salvageable. Then what is the point of getting someone hurt or killed for nothing. NO ONE, NO ONE should die trying to save a building that is already lost when you get there. Life is to precious for that. Pulling someone from a burning building is why we go to work, helping people when no one else can.

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

Hey, On the job. Calm down. It was joke about the brush fires. I've been to a few big mountain fires in VA. Nothing like those west coast monsters, but decent size fires. I know how hard it can be fighting a fast moving fire through rocky terrain. It was just a joke. As for structual fires. I don't mean you should watch a single room an contents fire burn a house down, because they say everyone is out. My point was, if it's obvious no one can be saved, or nothing is going to be salvageable. Then what is the point of getting someone hurt or killed for nothing. NO ONE, NO ONE should die trying to save a building that is already lost when you get there. Life is to precious for that. Pulling someone from a burning building is why we go to work, helping people when no one else can.
Who said this "Seriously, I am an east coast firemen as well. If there is no life hazard, and there is nothing left to be saved. Then there is no reason to get anybody hurt. Try putting yourself in the shoes of the chief who has to tell your wife, mother, and children their father died tring to save some smoke stained clothes and charred wet pictures". That statement doe's not look like a joke to me, looks like someone who went to a few ground fires in the hills trying to tell some people that take in thousands of wildland interface fires they don't know what there doing. How many homes or civilians were at risk in your big mountain fire? Let me calm down because your're just joking, let's see some more of your humor; "My point was, if it's obvious no one can be saved, or nothing is going to be salvageable. Then what is the point of getting someone hurt or killed for nothing. NO ONE, NO ONE should die trying to save a building that is already lost when you get there." Hahaha I see your joke now. :rolleyes:

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

this did start out as some good nature ribbing. I have lots of respect for all firefighters, was just trying to have some fun, some people just have to take it to the the other end of the spectrum and put in their ingnorance
I was aware it was jokes, read post #9. I just went off when someone came into a Los Angeles thread and implied that those firefighters were being irresponsible and needed to be told how to do their job.

Maybe he didn't mean it that way, but I took it that way, so maybe some the brothers in LA did too, but he says he was joking so I’ll take his advice and just calm down. :mad: oops I mean :)

[Chia6004]

lol. I still stand by my previous statement. I'll switch places with any East Coast Firefighter here in a few months. Seasons about to start and I'd love to see you guys get your trial by fire. I could use the break in action. :p

I wonder how you'd respond to being on the line for 23 days? Hmmmmm. And also, a wildfire does more than burn some bushes. The water shed has to be considered. We are in sever danger of losing entire ecosystems out west now due to a century of poor fire suppresion tactics. Which strangely came from people out east and their ideas of fire control? Hmmmm.

Fires occur out here that people out east cant fathem. Resarch the big burn and other Fire Storms of the same time frame and tell me what you'd think of a fire being pushed by gale force winds, consuming 350,000 acres in a day, that's right, One day! Making runs of 55k acres in an hour with temps that were hot enough to melt steel? The reports from the past are there and we are closing in on fires similar to those of the recent past. We are almost to the 100 year cycle, and you WILL see entire cities burned to the ground by these types of fires.

Fires that will make your single room single family dwellings look like childs play. I only pray that the death toll doesn't rise to the thousands.

Stay safe everyone and my offer still stands.

[vafirefighter91]

All of you need to relax, don't take everything that's written so personal. That statement wasn't a joke, do you really feel it's worth a life to save a building that is going to be torn down anyway. Give me a break, I don't want to see all of someones posessions destroyed but their personal things are not worth someone dying. I've been firemen for 15 years, and been to my fairshare of house and commerical building fires. Some good stops, and some not so good out comes. I did my best to salvage what I could. Now that I'm a little older and wiser and have more at stake in this world, I don't feel I should be put in the position to be injuried to save what is already a loss. I have put my life on the line a few times to rescue people and it was worth it. I would expect you, or anyone else in our profession to do the same. I'm just saying, think twice before commiting yourself to interior attack that can have little effect on the overall outcome of the situation.

[vafirefighter91]

lol. I still stand by my previous statement. I'll switch places with any East Coast Firefighter here in a few months. Seasons about to start and I'd love to see you guys get your trial by fire. I could use the break in action. :p

I wonder how you'd respond to being on the line for 23 days? Hmmmmm. And also, a wildfire does more than burn some bushes. The water shed has to be considered. We are in sever danger of losing entire ecosystems out west now due to a century of poor fire suppresion tactics. Which strangely came from people out east and their ideas of fire control? Hmmmm.

Fires occur out here that people out east cant fathem. Resarch the big burn and other Fire Storms of the same time frame and tell me what you'd think of a fire being pushed by gale force winds, consuming 350,000 acres in a day, that's right, One day! Making runs of 55k acres in an hour with temps that were hot enough to melt steel? The reports from the past are there and we are closing in on fires similar to those of the recent past. We are almost to the 100 year cycle, and you WILL see entire cities burned to the ground by these types of fires.

Fires that will make your single room single family dwellings look like childs play. I only pray that the death toll doesn't rise to the thousands.

Stay safe everyone and my offer still stands.

I have the utmost respect for you and every other west coast firemen who put their life on the line to save life and property. Those fires you fight are insane. We east coasters watch in amazement at how fast and quick they burn. I to hope the death toll can be reduced by the work you do. Good luck this year and God be with you.

[johnnydilznik]

East Vs. West is lame. Everyone has some hellified things to deal with in there areas of operation. East coast high rises, wood sided buildings that are 5 feet from each other. Waterways, terrorism etc. etc. . West coast same thing plus brush. 23years on the job you said it right. somedaycapt. was stiring shit and is now trying to duck it. Making the first statement was purely to piss people off. :rolleyes:

[Kissmyaxe]

I miss In-N-Out hamburgers after a fire...

[somedaycaptain]

East Vs. West is lame. Everyone has some hellified things to deal with in there areas of operation. East coast high rises, wood sided buildings that are 5 feet from each other. Waterways, terrorism etc. etc. . West coast same thing plus brush. 23years on the job you said it right. somedaycapt. was stiring shit and is now trying to duck it. Making the first statement was purely to piss people off. :rolleyes:

I am in no way trying to duck it, i was and am stiring the pot. I can't help it you guys take it so personally. :D By the way, did it work?

[johnnydilznik]

I think your full of S*^T and you are now covering your azz by saying you where trying to stir the pot. You are a wanna be and once again lame. Nice try on trying to back peddle but some of us aren't buying it. It is just to bad we can't all see you kick azz on your next fire since you are such a bad azz fireman.

[somedaycaptain]

yeah, it would be ashame for you to watch me take your line and put out your fire. Have fun lookin at my bottle as I go past you and don't worry about going back to the wagon to get another line, by the time you get there the fire will be out.

[johnnydilznik]

Thank you for illustrating my point of what a jackhole you are. I can picture you now. Raised up 4x4 truck with a fireman's license plate on it. Sticker in the window driving down the street like an a-hole. Baggy pants and chain wallet. Maybe a pit bull tied up in the bed. Faux-hawk hair -do. You are obviously a young, inexperienced punk who has to brag to make up for his lack of experience/small d*^k. Since I don't know you I can't expound on how little fire I would guess you have seen but I am sure I would have to drag you into the fire. Scarred boy go away. You have embarassed yourself way to much already.

[Chia6004]

yeah, it would be ashame for you to watch me take your line and put out your fire. Have fun lookin at my bottle as I go past you and don't worry about going back to the wagon to get another line, by the time you get there the fire will be out.


At first I thought that this was directed at me and I was about to laugh at you for making the reference of wearing a BA on a wildland fire. If ya think you could teach us how to fight our fires though, please, come out and enlighten us... All though with your attitude if you were ever actally exposed to a REAL wildfire you'd prolly have to be packed up seeing as how you'd prolly get over run by fire.

Real quick though. How many feet do you put a tee in while doing a hoselay? I'm sure you know this and all seeing as how east coasters are gods and us west coasters can only hope to lick your boots.

Whats the difference between a progressive and simple hoselay? Difference between a scratch line and finished line? What makes up the compliment on a type 3? What is bump and run? How to you do structure protection? What's the hook line order?etc etc etc etc etc....

If you can answer these, correctly, I may take you seriously.

[vafirefighter91]

Don't know, don't care about brush fire terms. But a bumb and run is a golf term. LOL

[somedaycaptain]

Thank you for illustrating my point of what a jackhole you are. I can picture you now. Raised up 4x4 truck with a fireman's license plate on it. Sticker in the window driving down the street like an a-hole. Baggy pants and chain wallet. Maybe a pit bull tied up in the bed. Faux-hawk hair -do. You are obviously a young, inexperienced punk who has to brag to make up for his lack of experience/small d*^k. Since I don't know you I can't expound on how little fire I would guess you have seen but I am sure I would have to drag you into the fire. Scarred boy go away. You have embarassed yourself way to much already.

yea since you see so much fire in So Cal, do you realize that the Baltimore, Dc area is the busiest area in the whole damn country. Why do you have to bring my dick into it are you a fag? I also happen to not look like your description, nor would i ever like to. Is it you that you are describing because it sure isn't me, let me tell you that there will never be a dog in my BMW. Thank you for your concern but i really don't need it. Don't be a pussy spell out your vulgar langauge. Have a nice day

[somedaycaptain]

At first I thought that this was directed at me and I was about to laugh at you for making the reference of wearing a BA on a wildland fire. If ya think you could teach us how to fight our fires though, please, come out and enlighten us... All though with your attitude if you were ever actally exposed to a REAL wildfire you'd prolly have to be packed up seeing as how you'd prolly get over run by fire.

Real quick though. How many feet do you put a tee in while doing a hoselay? I'm sure you know this and all seeing as how east coasters are gods and us west coasters can only hope to lick your boots.

Whats the difference between a progressive and simple hoselay? Difference between a scratch line and finished line? What makes up the compliment on a type 3? What is bump and run? How to you do structure protection? What's the hook line order?etc etc etc etc etc....

If you can answer these, correctly, I may take you seriously.

Yea i pretty much agree, i don't care about brush fire terms but i have the utmost respect for you wildfire boys and i wasn't talking to you

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

yeah, it would be ashame for you to watch me take your line and put out your fire. Have fun lookin at my bottle as I go past you and don't worry about going back to the wagon to get another line, by the time you get there the fire will be out.
Is that right out of the “Kentland Book of Cliches”? Generally used by newbie’s who want to be like the experienced firefighters but don’t have the time doing the job, so they make themselves feel better by talking shit on other people, particular people they have no clue about. ;)

[somedaycaptain]

Is that right out of the “Kentland Book of Cliches”? Generally used by newbie’s who want to be like the experienced firefighters but don’t have the time doing the job, so they make themselves feel better by talking shit on other people, particular people they have no clue about. ;)

That would be awsome but i don't ride at Kentland, eventhough it would be fun to and i don't talk shit to make myself feel better, i already know i am the best, i do it because it is fun

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

That would be awsome but i don't ride at Kentland, eventhough it would be fun to and i don't talk shit to make myself feel better, i already know i am the best, i do it because it is fun
Didn't say you had to ride at Kentland, heard plenty newbies quote the "Kentland Book of Cliches".

So your the best, never mind I was going to say something about that statement but I can feel a few keyboards going as we speak, I'll let them have at it. :rolleyes:

[somedaycaptain]

Didn't say you had to ride at Kentland, heard plenty newbies quote the "Kentland Book of Cliches".

So your the best, never mind I was going to say something about that statement but I can feel a few keyboards going as we speak, I'll let them have at it. :rolleyes:

don't be sad because you know it is true. By the way I have never read the Kentland book of cliches

[vafirefighter91]

Somedaycaptain what the hell are you talking about, you been around the fire service two maybe three years. Give me a break! I hope one day you get a job where you can get the hazing your rookie ass deserves. I hope your aspiration to be a captain will one day help you change your attitude, because now your probally no fit to run a johnny detail. Let alone a company at a good working fire.

[Kissmyaxe]

Real quick though. How many feet do you put a tee in while doing a hoselay? I'm sure you know this and all seeing as how east coasters are gods and us west coasters can only hope to lick your boots.

Whats the difference between a progressive and simple hoselay? Difference between a scratch line and finished line? What makes up the compliment on a type 3? What is bump and run? How to you do structure protection? What's the hook line order?etc etc etc etc etc....

If you can answer these, correctly, I may take you seriously.

It's been a few years, but let me take a stab at these...

The difference between the two lays is gated "Y's" being on the progressive to allow for lateral lines,...

A scratch line is unfinished, kinda a way to check the spread of a fire...

Not sure what a type 3 is, you got me there...

"Bump and run", or fall back, reposition to control spread, opposite of "anchor and hold", or I could be off a bit on that one...

Structure Protection,... duh...

and it's "Hook, Line and Sinker"!!

66%, do I get at least a little credit...

[EMT/FF99]

don't be sad because you know it is true. By the way I have never read the Kentland book of clichesKnow what is true? You are the best in your feable mind? OTJ has quite a few years over what your knowledge/experience may be, considering well I am not going to have an internet arguement with someone that is quite mentally, verbally, pshyically un armed such as yourself.

OTJ is quite respected within his Dept by his younger staff & his peers of knowledge & experience, along with the men & women outside of his Dept.

[somedaycaptain]

Somedaycaptain what the hell are you talking about, you been around the fire service two maybe three years. Give me a break! I hope one day you get a job where you can get the hazing your rookie ass deserves. I hope your aspiration to be a captain will one day help you change your attitude, because now your probally no fit to run a johnny detail. Let alone a company at a good working fire.

I have run the fire ground a "few" times and the house is usually still standing when we leave. So you can take your previous statement and disregard.
Have a good day

This isn't really any fun anymore.....:(

[johnnydilznik]

I have run the fire ground a "few" times and the house is usually still standing when we leave. So you can take your previous statement and disregard.
Have a good day

This isn't really any fun anymore.....:(

Yeah, It usually stops being fun when you are called to task and have to start backing up your statements with more than just your lame opinions. In other words you got schooled and didn't like it. Why don't you go away and come back when the wetness behind your juevos dries up...kid.

[EMT/FF99]

a "few" times? you are what maybe 20 y.o. old right now correct? Please take the time here for a moment & try not to embarass yourself any further. There are quite a few others here that have done quite more, but yet dont come in here & try to act all big & bad about it.
Take the experience you have & apply it to what you will be learning further down the road as your time progresses within the Fire Service.I have run the fire ground a "few" times and the house is usually still standing when we leave. So you can take your previous statement and disregard.
Have a good day

This isn't really any fun anymore.....:(

[somedaycaptain]

Yeah, It usually stops being fun when you are called to task and have to start backing up your statements with more than just your lame opinions. In other words you got schooled and didn't like it. Why don't you go away and come back when the wetness behind your juevos dries up...kid.

No that isn't the reason, its because you guys have not come up with anything new, it is boring. Its the same old thing, you think i haven't had command on fires, rescues etc and you are just saying it 20 diff. ways. I hate to break it to you but i have done both a lot. And just becasue i like to start shit every now and then doesn't mean i am young, it just reminds me of my younger days, thats all

[vafirefighter91]

Dude, again what the hell are you taliking about. Your making yourself sound stupid. Your bio says you were born in 85. It's impossible to have all the experience you claim to have in two or three years. Just stop posting dumb comments, because when you do want to say something on another topic no one will take you serious. Just go away and hide awhile, and hope people forget you started this post. A wise old veteran told me once no one cares about what you say you did. They only care about what they see you do!!!!

Sincerly,

Your brother in battle!!

[somedaycaptain]

try 6 years, In Maryland you can start interior fire attack at the age of 16. By the way, you shouldn't talk to a LT. that way

[EMT/FF99]

try 6 years, In Maryland you can start interior fire attack at the age of 16. By the way, you shouldn't talk to a LT. that way
I would love to read the Child Labor Laws on this one about 16 y.o. doing Interior work. Damn may have to search them out now

[johnnydilznik]

try 6 years, In Maryland you can start interior fire attack at the age of 16. By the way, you shouldn't talk to a LT. that way

6 whole years and an LT. to boot. Wow! You certainly have it all figured out. I am sure all that vast experience is paying big dividends when you show up to "take command". somedaycapt. your name should be bullshitartist. Enough of this. This punk is a joke and we all know it.

[Jim911Fire]

You know what....I may be in So. Cal.....but I’m a certified Va fire instructor. It really isn't hard for anyone there to get certified in anything out there. Just because you may be with a VFC and ran a few more calls than the guy next to you does not make you competent. Your no different than these knot heads I teach classes too. Because I have the cert, therefore I'm qualified. Get over yourself. Come back and talk to me after you have been on some calls that were worth while (i.e.: 3rd alarm commercial struc, 2000+ ac brush fires with high winds, HazMat releases with schools and families threatened, aircraft crashes into commercial struc, ect). Your six years have taught you nothing but arrogance it appears. Go Home Little Boy, your bothering us. :mad:

[Ghetto3FF]

try 6 years, In Maryland you can start interior fire attack at the age of 16. By the way, you shouldn't talk to a LT. that wayI am sorry you said what? Lt & you only have 6 yrs under your belt? Allow me to ask you a serious question here & I really would like a true & serious answer.
What station do you run with, who is the chief & please allow me to have the # to speak with this chief.

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

I am sorry you said what? Lt & you only have 6 yrs under your belt? Allow me to ask you a serious question here & I really would like a true & serious answer.
What station do you run with, who is the chief & please allow me to have the # to speak with this chief.
What's the age when someone is permitted to do interior firefighting? He has a vast amount of knowledge and experience at age 22 with maybe 4 years. :rolleyes:

[EMT/FF99]

What's the age when someone is permitted to do interior firefighting? He has a vast amount of knowledge and experience at age 22 with maybe 4 years. :rolleyes: Not quite sure there OTJ, it just cracks me up that between you & I with our experience we have close to 50yrs combined & yet still do not know everything.

[somedaycaptain]

Damn, you guys are harsh.... I'm a Lt. and i was voted in to that spot, so I must be doin something right. the fact of the matter is what is said here on the watch desk is to purely just start shit and have fun bustin balls. You guys must actually be idiots to think that i run my engine or the fire ground how i speak on here. We are very professional on calls and do everything to the best of our abilities. You ask why i am a lt with six years, thats only because i have been around the department since i was born and have learned how to run an engine company through my time and from my father and grandfather who where both captains of the station. I am srry to say that my grand dad has past on, i learned a lot from him and i am still learning from my dad today. The biggest thing i have learned even with there 70 combined years is that you will never know everything, I do not know everything nor did i ever say that i did. Don't make the mistake of taking my confidence for cockeyness. VA is totally different than MD aswell, MFRI is the best fire schooling in the country and MEIMMS is the best ems in the country aswell. To say that i am learning still is an understatement, i will be learning through my whole career as i hope the rest of you do. There isn't anything worse then an officer who is stuck in the past and won't listen to suggestions from his/her firefighters. I am tired of bickering back and forth, its not any fun and that is what this thread was supposed to be about, a friendly rivalery if you where.

Thank You
You all have fine evening
Stay Safe Brothers

[somedaycaptain]

What's the age when someone is permitted to do interior firefighting? He has a vast amount of knowledge and experience at age 22 with maybe 4 years. :rolleyes:

Also again the age for maryland is 16
I really don't care what you think about it, its just how it is some companies differ from this and make it to where they can olny do exterior attack under 18, however many start at 16 and my company is one.

[EMT/FF99]

Also again the age for maryland is 16
I really don't care what you think about it, its just how it is some companies differ from this and make it to where they can olny do exterior attack under 18, however many start at 16 and my company is one.I beleive someone else asked this question before or something close to it. What is the Company that you run with, I would love to speak with your Dept about the age requirements for Interior, nothing againist you honestly, just find it alittle hard to beleive.

[Chia6004]

It's been a few years, but let me take a stab at these...

The difference between the two lays is gated "Y's" being on the progressive to allow for lateral lines,...

A scratch line is unfinished, kinda a way to check the spread of a fire...

Not sure what a type 3 is, you got me there...

"Bump and run", or fall back, reposition to control spread, opposite of "anchor and hold", or I could be off a bit on that one...

Structure Protection,... duh...

and it's "Hook, Line and Sinker"!!

66%, do I get at least a little credit...

Nice job, you got a good portion of them so I'll feel you in on the rest.

A simple hoselay is just laying hose on the ground, a progressive hoselay is when you put in a Tee or lateral every 200 feet. Which allows for 1' in hose to be put onto the hoselay making it easier to mop up.

You got scratch line correct.

Type 3 is an ICS demoniation for a wildland engine. A type one is known as a pavement princess out here while type threes are known as weed wagons. Type 3s carry predominatly inch and a half hose, 1200 feet minimum, with limited to no LDH. The LDH is generally 2 1/2 in which only used to fill the tank up.

Structure protection was self explantory yes, I was looking for more tactics from him. It's no biggie.

You got bump and run correct in a sense. The true sense of the word is go in front of a moving fire to threatened structures, let it blow by while protecting said structures, after the fire moves on you pack up and go to the next house that's threatened.

That is cowboy firefighting at it's best. All the rules tend to go outta the window and you fall back to expierence and insitinct.

[Kissmyaxe]

Thanks for the reply chia, I had forgot that everything was considered and engine in the world of wildfires... I took our brush truck on the biggest fire we've had out this way in the past 6 yrs and I kept telling the smokejumpers that it wasn't an engine! They were from Redding Ca. and laughed because me and my partner were roasting marshmellows and hotdogs walking along the backfire...

[EMT/FF99]

yeah, it would be ashame for you to watch me take your line and put out your fire. Have fun lookin at my bottle as I go past you and don't worry about going back to the wagon to get another line, by the time you get there the fire will be out. Damn I may to go find my 3/4 boots, its getting slightly deep in here now :)

[Flashover21]

Also again the age for maryland is 16
I really don't care what you think about it, its just how it is some companies differ from this and make it to where they can olny do exterior attack under 18, however many start at 16 and my company is one.



wrong again junior, you cant be interior any where "legally" under 18, Oh Ive spent sometime in maryland, and its def 18... keep going your doing good

[somedaycaptain]

wrong again junior, you cant be interior any where "legally" under 18, Oh Ive spent sometime in maryland, and its def 18... keep going your doing good

I hate to burst your bubble i don't think a whole county is going to not be right. As long as the legal gaurdians say it is ok then they can, don't talk about what you don't know about.

[Ghetto3FF]

I hate to burst your bubble i don't think a whole county is going to not be right. As long as the legal gaurdians say it is ok then they can, don't talk about what you don't know about.Easy there Killer,,get back in your corner & stand down a little there. Those eye brows are really begininng to scare me :rolleyes:

Have a serious question before you get all riled up @ others (including myself) here. What makes you to be special enough to be an Interior FF @ the ripe old age of 16 in the Commonwealth of Va? In other words what quals do you hold, that make the Commonwealth think otherwise in your case -vs- another 16-17 y.o. FF?

[Flashover21]

Well down there they date their relatives, so maybe he is telling the truth

[somedaycaptain]

Well down there they date their relatives, so maybe he is telling the truth

Yeah, since in maryland we date family...ok. You can get the training at the age of sixteen and inorder to complete the training you have to do live fire training which also includes interior. There is no point in this, I know how it works in Balto Co. and you have no idea. why argue.

[EMT/FF99]

A few have asked you a legit question & yet you dont want to answer them, rather instead come in with a cocked off attitude. This is why people are singling you out. Just simply answer the questions, that's allYeah, since in maryland we date family...ok. You can get the training at the age of sixteen and inorder to complete the training you have to do live fire training which also includes interior. There is no point in this, I know how it works in Balto Co. and you have no idea. why argue.

[somedaycaptain]

A few have asked you a legit question & yet you dont want to answer them, rather instead come in with a cocked off attitude. This is why people are singling you out. Just simply answer the questions, that's all

my attitude was only toward the person that said we date our own families, nothing more nothing less. I have aswered the question and i don't know what else to tell you guys. I am telling you how it works atleast in baltimore county and the surrounding counties such as harford county an carroll county.

[Chia6004]

HAHAHAHAHA. This thread is awesome. Nothing like 3 and 30s getting owned. Ya know, guys with 3 years on acting like they've been around for 30 years.

[Flashover21]

Talked to someone I know in Balt CO and it seems you do indeed need to be 18 to be an interior firefighter...just like the rest of the country... but good try tho junior, we almost believed you

[Ghetto3FF]

I have never heard of any 16 or 17 yo being capable of firefighting interior until they reach the age of 18. I think would be covered under the Federal Child Laws to be correct.

[Chia6004]

I have never heard of any 16 or 17 yo being capable of firefighting interior until they reach the age of 18. I think would be covered under the Federal Child Laws to be correct.

Unless they have parental consent.

[Ghetto3FF]

Unless they have parental consent.ok now how are we talking though? While these Jrs are still in school or if they have either graduated @ the age of 16-17, or also if maybe they have signed themselves out of school @ 17?
I truely cannot see a Jr FF (16 -17 )while still in school, a parent signing them off for interior burns. I am sure even the Parents permission, they would still have to follow State, Local & Federal Guidelines correct?

[Chia6004]

ok now how are we talking though? While these Jrs are still in school or if they have either graduated @ the age of 16-17, or also if maybe they have signed themselves out of school @ 17?
I truely cannot see a Jr FF (16 -17 )while still in school, a parent signing them off for interior burns. I am sure even the Parents permission, they would still have to follow State, Local & Federal Guidelines correct?


Jrs no. They should never be allowed interior. Out here I became a FF at 17, going interior etc. I had parental consent to do so though. Basically I was trained up to the active firefighting status and allowed to perform of the duties of a responding firefigther. A volie at 17. I was still in HS at the time.

Jrs though. Never.

[somedaycaptain]

Jrs no. They should never be allowed interior. Out here I became a FF at 17, going interior etc. I had parental consent to do so though. Basically I was trained up to the active firefighting status and allowed to perform of the duties of a responding firefigther. A volie at 17. I was still in HS at the time.

Jrs though. Never.

whats wrong with it if you did it, there are a lot of good firemen/women under the age of 18, most of the members we have started under the age of 18.

[Flashover21]

whats wrong with it if you did it, there are a lot of good firemen/women under the age of 18, most of the members we have started under the age of 18.


yea some great firemen under 18, those guys with 6-12 months in the service really know their stuff!!!! get off the computer

[Chia6004]

whats wrong with it if you did it, there are a lot of good firemen/women under the age of 18, most of the members we have started under the age of 18.



It's wrong because most teenages are ummmm FU**ING STUPID!!!! That's why. Oh here's a thought, let's allow morons to fight fires, good plan.

[tickhuh]

OK. So I'm sitting here bored at work (not at he FD) readding all the BS posted is this thread. And as difficult as it was to swallow I read the entire thread. Everything from the bad azzes at Kentland 33 ( a bunch of Beltway humming homos) to "east is best nn west is best". What a bunch of crap.

I post this because I was once a Vol in MD-- Howard County and yes I still hold membership, and am now Vol in CenCal. Things look very different when your looking accross the river but have any of you actually.....that means hinestly.....had the chance to experience both sides? I would guess no.

Last point.......The volunteer age in MD is 16. Many departments in MD choose to allow member to function as interior firefighters once MFRI has blessed them and a probationary periiod has been satisfied. Thats the road I traveled in Howard County 15 years ago, and for the most part it's un changed. Is this a good idea? NO. Why? Because teenage KIDS are stupid....and for the most part can't can't think past the few inches of dick in front of them. He'll 18 may still be to young!!

By the way if you espond with some of that juvinile BS I can\will defend my point......don't punk out be prepared to do the same

[sbcwvb]

:D TickHuH
You are one stupid mother f:D
Howard County Sucks And Yes The West Coast Sucks .
The East Coast Will Always Kick The out Of You West Coast .
Kentland Has Quite A Few Young Fireman That Would Make Your Sorry Look Stupid Anytime, :D
Keep Your Sorry In California.
KENTLAND THE BADDEST AROUND PERIOD

Comments such as yours show how really pathetic people like you are. I'm sure if confronted by someone on these threads, you would wet yourself and run home to MAMA. There is absolutely no reason to badmouth anyone just because you can. I'm sure you are a little teenage boy trying to look bad. All you succeeded in doing is making yourself look stupid.

JMHO

[tickhuh]

MISSEMT36,
Like I said I can defend my point….can you?

Because I am a stupid mother f’er, please enlighten me, as well as anyone else interested what makes you and Kentland so special? Is it the pretty “100% Volunteer” sign out front of the fire house? Maybe, it’s the Acting Chief’s letter to President Bush (no doubt a senseless effort to thwart the chain of command) to remain that way? (despite Kentland’s undying loyalty to the protection of the community you won’t allow a paid ambulance crew to park in the FD) Who’s looking out for the people in your community? I say certainly not members of Kentland. I see it as yet another display Kentland’s juvenile sandbox etiquette. Here’s a display of the “juvenile sandbox etiquette" I mentioned.It's not new news but it's true news. (http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_048102146.html)
For the record though….I’ve been involved with the fire service a bit over 14 years. In those 14 years I’ve learned to never, ever, make broad unfounded statements such as yours. Please do share when were you last across the Mississippi fighting fire?

Please share….prove me or you that stupid mother f’er.

BTY isn’t 36 in Hyattsville?

[JetDriver33]

:D Kentland The Busiest And The Best.
Attention All West Coast Wanna Be Fireman If You Ever Wondered What A Real Fireman Is Like Take A Trip To Kentland.
As Far As Bad Mouthing Yeah The West Coast Sucks For Interior Firefighting And Being Aggressive But They Are Great At Brush Fires :D
Shit Buy The Book Probie Days That Is The Bomb A Volunteer Fireman Ran 60,000 Runs In 25 Years Living At Kentland, No Sorry Ass Career Fireman Could Hold His Nut Sack.

[SMOK ETR]

Not that I really care about the east coast/west coast debate, some recent comments deserve a reply, so I'll step up to the plate.

Last I checked, Kentland offered to county space on their property to allow the county to build a tempoary quarters for the ambulance. Why? Maybe because they have no space in their current facility for an additional vehicle? The county huffed and puffed, and refused to commit to anything. The county pulled the ambulance and paid staff out of the Kentland area years ago, and is now just tring to force the volunteers to staff one so the county won't have to. In my opinion, Kentland has such a strong membership, in part, due to the fact that they don't have an ambulance. 12 years of all volunteer service elicits station pride from the membership, and I do say the members of Kentland 'looks out' for the members of its community.

'Juvenile sandbox etiquette'? Well, I will pull out the BS card on the example you decided to use. I have never seen a fire scene where someone is not swearing, especially when someone runs over your supply hose, and especially if its another fire department. Big deal. And then they try to say someone tried to shut off other people's SCBA? Right. I have seen plenty who have diffuculty tring to turn on/off thie own tank. And you expect me to believe that someone else managed to turn off you tank while you were moving around in a zero visiblity atmosphere inside a burning house? BS.

[Chia6004]

God some of you people are so lame. Do you not have a life outside of the FD? Jesus! Who gives a flying **** if East or West is better? We each have different SOGs and that's gonna influence our behavior on emergency scenes. My offer still stands. I challenge any East Coast firefighter who thinks we suck to come out here and pull a 72 hr shift on a weed wagon. Hell, a pavement princess even. It's two different worlds, I've been on Structure fires where the ambient temp was 129. Ground temp of 150. Again, if you're ignorant, as most of you appear to be, keep your trap shut.

Stay safe everyone. Although I remember why I hate most firefightes every time I see this thread.

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

God some of you people are so lame. Do you not have a life outside of the FD? Jesus! Who gives a flying **** if East or West is better? We each have different SOGs and that's gonna influence our behavior on emergency scenes. My offer still stands. I challenge any East Coast firefighter who thinks we suck to come out here and pull a 72 hr shift on a weed wagon. Hell, a pavement princess even. It's two different worlds, I've been on Structure fires where the ambient temp was 129. Ground temp of 150. Again, if you're ignorant, as most of you appear to be, keep your trap shut.

Stay safe everyone. Although I remember why I hate most firefightes every time I see this thread.

72 hours on the "Weed Wagon" you might get some takers on that Snoop Dogg! :) East West debate is it even worth talking about anymore?

[Chia6004]

No it isn't.

[ffonthepike]

whats wrong with it if you did it, there are a lot of good firemen/women under the age of 18, most of the members we have started under the age of 18.

That is the most ridiculous comment I have heard in this entire thread and somedaycaptain, you have got to be the most ignorant person to have ever posted on this site.

[Quacker]

God some of you people are so lame. Do you not have a life outside of the FD? Jesus! Who gives a flying **** if East or West is better? We each have different SOGs and that's gonna influence our behavior on emergency scenes. My offer still stands. I challenge any East Coast firefighter who thinks we suck to come out here and pull a 72 hr shift on a weed wagon. Hell, a pavement princess even. It's two different worlds, I've been on Structure fires where the ambient temp was 129. Ground temp of 150. Again, if you're ignorant, as most of you appear to be, keep your trap shut.

Stay safe everyone. Although I remember why I hate most firefightes every time I see this thread.

Hey puke, stay in California. So you HATE most FIREFIGHTERS???

We don't need you East of the Mississippi, where they most educated firefighters are located and working. Come to me sonny and let me take you in a building where it is over 400 degrees and your ass is saying, man I wish I was back in Sunny California, smoking more weed or what ever that you are smoking!
:eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[sbcwvb]

Hey puke, stay in California. So you HATE most FIREFIGHTERS???

We don't need you East of the Mississippi, where they most educated
Obviously, you're not speaking of yourself here.

firefighters are located and working. Come to me sonny and let me take you in a building where it is over 400 degrees

Wow, over 400 degrees, that must be really hot. I think it gets that hot in my car when it's parked in the sun for a couple of hours.

and your ass is saying, man I wish I was back in Sunny California, smoking more weed or what ever that you are smoking!

I would really like to see an ass say "man I wish I was back in Sunny California..." and don't tell me to look in the mirror, asses talking must be something that only happens east of the Mississippi, at least in this instance!!




Have a nice day!

[Chia6004]

Hey puke, stay in California. So you HATE most FIREFIGHTERS???

We don't need you East of the Mississippi, where they most educated firefighters are located and working. Come to me sonny and let me take you in a building where it is over 400 degrees and your ass is saying, man I wish I was back in Sunny California, smoking more weed or what ever that you are smoking!
:eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



HAHAHAHAHA. OMG. That was so funny. Seriously, do you like... Do stand up on the side are something? Cause you may have a future in it.

And don't worry. I have no desire to leave Cali for the arm pit of the US any time soon.

LOL. Where they most educated? That makes it to where I don't even have to form a rebuttal. You made my point for me. Bravo! And as for what you were trying to say but seeing as how you lack the english skills to actually say it. Charleston just proved how educated the East Coast is huh?

I've been on many fires there "chief" and all I can say is, meh. A monkey could be trained to do the job. It doesn't exactly require the same mental capacity as say.... A nurse; or carpenter or any other real job. I think the average waiter has a higher IQ than the average firefighter as it is.

I don't need to get into a war of wits here with an unarmed opponent so I'll leave it at just these last few remarks.

Educated and... Firefighters are two words that should never be in the same sentence due to the massive irony contained within. Stop abusing the comma; learn how to properly punctuate; go back and take some english courses and I might believe you're actually educated and above all else. Drop the god complex. It's kinda sad and pathetic truthfully. Do you have no life outside the dept so any negative remark about the Fire Dept angers you so?

Wow, someone can say whatever they want about my career or place of work and you don't see me getting bent outta shape. No other normal people get bent outta shape either if you say something about their job or career. So one must wonder why "Americas Heroes" do? Well actually it's painfully obvious why they do but that's neither here nor there.

Way to prove my point more elequently than I ever could though.

BTW: To give you a piece of advice that has been around for years.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

[SMOK ETR]

Charleston just proved how educated the East Coast is huh?
:mad:
I can't believe that you would use this tragedy in the context you did. After just a week and a half you have managed to slander both the actions and the memory of those brave men. You weren't there, don't pretend to know what happened that day or what you would have done to avoid it if you were there.

And for what? A stupid post in a stupid forum in what is supposed to be a conveyer of information for fellow firemen. Brothers. I guess that word doesn't mean much to you, does it Chia6004?

I truly hope you made your statement in a lapse of good judgement. It is inexcusable to use a tragedy the way you did, to try to prove a stupid point.

[Chia6004]

IC going interior and not wearing appropriate PPE=not intelligent. Sorry. They contributed to their own demise from every report I've been hearing. It's not slander to state a fact.

I feel for their loss yes but saying they contributed to their demise is not in poor taste or as a result in a lapse of judgement.

And please. Come up with a better rebbutal than. "I guess that word doesn't mean much to you".

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

IC going interior and not wearing appropriate PPE=not intelligent. Sorry. They contributed to their own demise from every report I've been hearing. It's not slander to state a fact.

I feel for their loss yes but saying they contributed to their demise is not in poor taste or as a result in a lapse of judgement.

And please. Come up with a better rebbutal than. "I guess that word doesn't mean much to you".
Chia, this East Coast-West Coast was started I suppose as a joke, but some initially from the East Coast took it a little too far and made it personal. I for one (a East Coaster) was quick to defend my brothers on the west coast, but was it really necessary to bring the Charleston tragedy into this, I mean seriously you didn’t know from all the childish posts that this thread was for the most part BS? Every department is one incident away from a tragic situation, East, West, North or South. Charleston, SC lost 9 nine firefighters, how many firefighters has the LAFD lost over the years and I consider them one of the elite departments in the country.

It's time for this thread to go away.

[EMT/FF99]

Damn Chia I think it is safe to say, that you have really surprised quite a few people here with your post. :mad: IC going interior and not wearing appropriate PPE=not intelligent. Sorry. They contributed to their own demise from every report I've been hearing. It's not slander to state a fact.

I feel for their loss yes but saying they contributed to their demise is not in poor taste or as a result in a lapse of judgement.

And please. Come up with a better rebbutal than. "I guess that word doesn't mean much to you".

[Chia6004]

Prolly. But oh well.

[XMad Co Citizen]

Stumbled upon this crap and had to put my two cents in. I am from the east coast and would never take the 72 hour weed wagon challenge beacuse...I don't want to!!! I don't need to prove to you, Chia, that I can do something that I have no desire to do, so stop ACTING like you are better than everyone else. You played right into the hands of those you were attacking.

Regarding Charleston, if you want to attack the upper management, knock yourself out, but your statement:

"They contributed to their own demise from every report I've been hearing. It's not slander to state a fact."

was just outright stupid and disrespectful...since you do not have the facts to back that up. If you disagree, then tell me what PPE were ANY of the nine NOT wearing. You don't know, do you...so shut up already and go to the gym.

[XMad Co Citizen]

Read the entire thread and wanted to address a few other things...

1. I am from Maryland, started at 16 and was allowed to perform interior firefighting (this was some time ago, though)...was not such a good idea, honestly!!

2. Someone who is very active at Kentland has a few things going for them, in my eyes...if the membership does not kick them out, they must be able to do the job AND their working fire call volume has to be in the top ten in the country. The level that you can teach (in a classroom) structural firefighting is limited...I hope we can all agree on that. Having said this, it is my opinion (and experience) is that someone who has been at Kentland for a good number of years would not be on TWD saying the BS I have read earlier...they are too busy doing more important things.

3. The shutting off of bottles on a fire scene did occur in PG County (at least in the late 80's and 90's)...had it done to me. The ease of it mainly had to do with the old Scotts we had at the time.

4. I truly believe that the education level of firefighters is higher out west (having lived In AZ for a while and traveled to most western states and dealing with fire departments in various types of communities). No offense to my east coast brothers, but there is an emphasis on education out here that just does not exist (as much) back east. I view this as a good thing, as long as the attitude (shown by some) that education can overcome experience does not kick in.

5. With respect to structural fires, the available experience is much higher back east, due to numerous issues. Hell, you would be hard pressed to find a non-residential structure here in the Valley that does not have sprinklers. This is not a cut on the west coast FDs, just factually based...the structural fire problem in this country is not out west.

6. MIEMMS is not the best...come to Arizona if you want to see superior EMS service...have to admit that paramedics on fire trucks works pretty good out here (I would not have imagined myself saying that 10 years ago!) MFRI does rule, though. The firefighter safety and survival class that is taught remotely is fantastic and worth repeating. I have asked everywhere I go and cannot find a program that appears to compare.

7. Looked it up - "prolly - Idiots who cannot spell probably correctly use this version."

[Chia6004]

Stumbled upon this crap and had to put my two cents in. I am from the east coast and would never take the 72 hour weed wagon challenge beacuse...I don't want to!!! I don't need to prove to you, Chia, that I can do something that I have no desire to do, so stop ACTING like you are better than everyone else. You played right into the hands of those you were attacking.

Regarding Charleston, if you want to attack the upper management, knock yourself out, but your statement:

"They contributed to their own demise from every report I've been hearing. It's not slander to state a fact."

was just outright stupid and disrespectful...since you do not have the facts to back that up. If you disagree, then tell me what PPE were ANY of the nine NOT wearing. You don't know, do you...so shut up already and go to the gym.


I'm actually on the way to the gym right now. Thanks.

My statement of the weed wagon challenge was more of a stfu. You have no idea what wildland firefighting is like and I get tired of city boys constantly trashing somehting they 1.) Never do and 2.) Couldn't do if they tried. I'm not acting better because I'm a brush bunny, just stating a fact that the east coasters wouldn't last five minutes, as they are trained now, in a fast moving wild fire. And if you disagree come try it out.

Again not disrespectful or stupid. They didn't wear proper PPE. The roof collapse didn't kill them, it was smoke inhalation and burns. Well WTF does that say? The bodies were found away from the hose lines, the IC went interior, they didn't adequately check for extension etc. But the PPE and IC part is inexcusible, firefighting acts get fubared all the time but basic safety procedures? Come on.

So. I say to you. Who was responsible for their deaths? Upper management for having horrid policies? The IC who didn't behave like one? The guys who didn't put on full PPE or some version of all of the above?

They contributed to their deats. Bottom line and I will not apologize for stating a fact. Get the **** over it.


And lol at your prolly comment. Probably. Happy?

[XMad Co Citizen]

"Again not disrespectful or stupid. They didn't wear proper PPE. The roof collapse didn't kill them, it was smoke inhalation and burns. Well WTF does that say?"

Name the Charleston firefighter that died that did not have full PPE on. Here, I will leave you some room to type:








To answer your questions...

As to WTF does that say...it could say many different things. Just because they had inhalation injuries does not mean they did not have their SCBA on. Many LODDs experienced the horror of their mask failing in the heat prior to death, and given that it appears that "rapidly deteriorating conditions" occurred in this fire, it would be likely in this incident. Burns?? What do you think that the best ensemble will prevent burns when firefighters get trapped? Not so. I did a study on this about 10 years ago when we changed ensembles. A 4 foot high pile of pallets on fire (a pretty robust fire) created temperature INSIDE a coat about 4 feet away to produce temperatures that would produce 2nd degree burns. The ensembles firefighters wear are subject to quicker failure now also...you don't feel it until it is too late, whereas with the old stuff, you gradually felt the increase in penetration. Bodies found away from hose lines...what if collapse of couches and other items landed on the hoses, forcing them away...what if they were hastily trying to escape...should they take their hoses with them? Think before you type on these issues please.

If they were not wearing full PPE, then I hope we get to hear about it and everyone learns from it, but for now, nobody, including you, knows, period.

As to who to blame...simply we (maybe not you, I guess) don't know yet...not all the facts are out. We know what some of the 'contributing factors' likely will be, but we should not jump to conclusions and start trashing people that may not deserve it. As I stated elsewhere, I will not criticize anyone for blasting the chief and asst chief who were quoted last week...horrific in nature, but sane and experienced fire professionals wait for all of the facts to come out before they start making general statements about LODDs. I have confidence that NIOSH will say like it needs to be said (especially given the attitudes that the Chief and Asst Chief - soon to be formers hopefully - have displayed towards national standards regarding incident management - this statement is based on facts from their own mouths).

Hell, don't listen to me, how about paying attention to Goldfeder and Carter:

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=16&id=55346

A pretty good article...

Regarding Prolly, I DID have to look it up...I thought it was a mispell or something and came across those exact words under a google search...thought it was funny, thats all.

Happy 4th.

[missemt36]

:D Welcome to the real world of Firefighting East Coast Style
Fuck The West Coast You Bunch Of Curb Squirting Sorry Asses.
Stick With Your Brush Fires Assholes .
Thats the difference between the East and the West .
As far as your idols that you mentioned that we should listen too fuck them
Thats the problem to many paper pushing assholes behind a desk think they have all the answers to being a fireman.
From the East Coast And Charleston Fuck You West Coast Punks :D

[BooBooLance]

It does not matter whether you are an Eastcoast Firefighter, Westcoast or Midland Firefighter for that fact, WE ALL DO THE SAME DAMN JOB! There is not 2 departments that train or fight fires the same identical way as the next, however whether it is a 4,000 acre brush fire, a Tractor Trailer full of Gasoline slamming into a Bridge Embuttment, or a single dwelling house fire with entrapment, the public calls the fire department & we do our job by making no other damage is done to surrounding areas & make all attempts to get the fire under control, along with everyone going home safely.

[BooBooLance]

This petty crap of East -vs- West is simply a childish kid game.

[Chia6004]

:D Welcome to the real world of Firefighting East Coast Style
Fuck The West Coast You Bunch Of Curb Squirting Sorry Asses.
Stick With Your Brush Fires Assholes .
Thats the difference between the East and the West .
As far as your idols that you mentioned that we should listen too fuck them
Thats the problem to many paper pushing assholes behind a desk think they have all the answers to being a fireman.
From the East Coast And Charleston Fuck You West Coast Punks :D



And see the intellect being displayed by yet another firefighter again. Any response Mad Co?

And as for the PPE issue. If it is discovered that they were fully geared up then I will retract my previous statements and apologise for them. Fair?

[XMad Co Citizen]

My response...it is 22 years old acting like a 2 year old...but getting responses, therefore it will continue. It is from Balmore County, one of the most screwed up systems (combo) in the country, so it has no place to talk. But trying to tell it to sftu by challenging it to come out west and join a fire crew for a day will do nothing. Oh, and from its previous posts, it appears that it has never fought a fire.

Very fair.

[EMT/FF99]

It is cocky smart ass attitudes such as this post that gives a bad rep & name to the General Public. We are all here to do the same job, whether it is Wildland Firefighting or Structual Firefighting.

We all put our gear on the same way (1 leg at a time & so forth) even though our gear may differ in some ways. We all use almost all the same tools to fight a fire & so forth.

Are there any differences between Wildland (West Coast) & Structual Firefighting? Quite a few major & minor differences, however we are here to do the same damn job. "Protect the General Public when requested to do so."

:D Welcome to the real world of Firefighting East Coast Style
Fuck The West Coast You Bunch Of Curb Squirting Sorry Asses.
Stick With Your Brush Fires Assholes .
Thats the difference between the East and the West .
As far as your idols that you mentioned that we should listen too fuck them
Thats the problem to many paper pushing assholes behind a desk think they have all the answers to being a fireman.
From the East Coast And Charleston Fuck You West Coast Punks :D

[GuEsT]

It is cocky smart ass attitudes such as this post that gives a bad rep & name to the General Public. We are all here to do the same job, whether it is Wildland Firefighting or Structual Firefighting.

We all put our gear on the same way (1 leg at a time & so forth) even though our gear may differ in some ways. We all use almost all the same tools to fight a fire & so forth.

Are there any differences between Wildland (West Coast) & Structual Firefighting? Quite a few major & minor differences, however we are here to do the same damn job. "Protect the General Public when requested to do so."
Don't worry about her, she's just a stupid little girl with an additude, please don't let her ruin the complection of the east coast.. I'm still waitin for deployment to the west!! ;)

[Shere_Mayhem06]

West Coast Brothers and Sisters DO NOT let our little MissEMT who has obviously skipped her rittalin and prozac give you a bad view of all us East Coasters. This kid is out of control and has no idea, exerience or, knowledge so she just types to see if she can start shit. Be safe and stay low.

[EMT/FF99]

People like her with attitudes such as, are all over the FD. Doesnt matter whether that people is male or female, the attitude is makes the person. As for "chicks" or Women being in a FD, I have no worries about that, I have worked some of the best Female FFs & most likely would stand them againist quite a Male FFs.Im glad theres no chicks in my station~!~~

[Jim911Fire]

I was one of the original guys to post on this topic. I can't believe that this thread is STILL going. Drop this crap already. I'm a west Coast Fire Captain with 20 yrs and I can find screwed up crap in EVERY FD.....West , EAST....North and South....Paid or Vollie. So fricking what....as long as we do what we do SAFELY and go home after the incident it's all good. I was sorry to hear of the Charlston 9 and have no doubt that Management's actions will be a factor in the deaths. You would think we would have learned from past tragidies and prevented future ones.

Lets close this useless thread and move on to more beneficial topics. :cool:

[EMT/FF99]

Good point, however there will always be someone out there that will comments here such as "I am better than,,,,,, etc, etc." But you do have a good point though
I was one of the original guys to post on this topic. I can't believe that this thread is STILL going. Drop this crap already. I'm a west Coast Fire Captain with 20 yrs and I can find screwed up crap in EVERY FD.....West , EAST....North and South....Paid or Vollie. So fricking what....as long as we do what we do SAFELY and go home after the incident it's all good. I was sorry to hear of the Charlston 9 and have no doubt that Management's actions will be a factor in the deaths. You would think we would have learned from past tragidies and prevented future ones.

Lets close this useless thread and move on to more beneficial topics. :cool:

[Tk_3_Barman]

:D Welcome to the real world of Firefighting East Coast Style
Fuck The West Coast You Bunch Of Curb Squirting Sorry Asses.
Stick With Your Brush Fires Assholes .
Thats the difference between the East and the West .
As far as your idols that you mentioned that we should listen too fuck them
Thats the problem to many paper pushing assholes behind a desk think they have all the answers to being a fireman.
From the East Coast And Charleston Fuck You West Coast Punks :D


You have a lot of nerve using the loss of 9 brothers in Charleston SC as a point of how tuff we are as East Coast Firefighters! You make me want to vomit.
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. The West Coast has fires just as hot as the ones here on the East coast. The last time I checked fire is fire and it burns the same way.

You also have no room to talk about being aggressive since you are from a county that uses their volunteers for promotional purposes only. That is the most dysfunctional combination system on the planet.

Stick to riding 3rd on the ambulance and let grown folks talk about critiques and strategies.

Tk_3_Barman
Tower Ladder 3
DCFD

[somedaycaptain]

You also have no room to talk about being aggressive since you are from a county that uses their volunteers for promotional purposes only. That is the most dysfunctional combination system on the planet.

Stick to riding 3rd on the ambulance and let grown folks talk about critiques and strategies.

Tk_3_Barman
Tower Ladder 3
DCFD[/QUOTE]

How exactly are we promotinal purpose only, we are completly seperate from career companies and have all the same qualifications. Last i checked we fight fire just like everyone else. Let me guess big union guy that likes blowing smoke out of your ass. How exactly do you know what its like up here when you ride in DC anyway?

[Tk_3_Barman]

You also have no room to talk about being aggressive since you are from a county that uses their volunteers for promotional purposes only. That is the most dysfunctional combination system on the planet.

Stick to riding 3rd on the ambulance and let grown folks talk about critiques and strategies.

Tk_3_Barman
Tower Ladder 3
DCFD

How exactly are we promotinal purpose only, we are completly seperate from career companies and have all the same qualifications. Last i checked we fight fire just like everyone else. Let me guess big union guy that likes blowing smoke out of your ass. How exactly do you know what its like up here when you ride in DC anyway?[/QUOTE]



Yeah GIANT union guy....................

I have been a volunteer in PG for 18 and 1/2 years. I live in Baltimore city, I know A LOT of Baltimore county career AND volunteers.

I should not have lumped every Baltimore County Volunteer in that group. I am sorry. But there are some stations that are just taking up space in that county and you know it.

I seriously doubt she is in a good house, or she would not feel the need to run her mouth so much.

[somedaycaptain]

I agree....

[johnnydilznik]

I have been watching this thread for about 2 months and it is comedy. Since nobody here can prove one way or the other wether they can fight fire or are just a bunch of scared p**sies. Unless you can talk a fire out. :rolleyes: Another thing....I see a lot of Wildland vs. structure ff BS here. Did anyone stop to consider that we actually have buildings on the west coast. I mean amongst the tee-pees and adobes we have managed to build a few structures since Manifest Destiny. O.k. fire away.

P.S.- Baltimore County is that where John Travolta and that guy who thinks he's Johnny Cash work?

[ONTHEJOB23YRS]

I have been watching this thread for about 2 months and it is comedy. Since nobody here can prove one way or the other wether they can fight fire or are just a bunch of scared p**sies. Unless you can talk a fire out. :rolleyes: Another thing....I see a lot of Wildland vs. structure ff BS here. Did anyone stop to consider that we actually have buildings on the west coast. I mean amongst the tee-pees and adobes we have managed to build a few structures since Manifest Destiny. O.k. fire away.

P.S.- Baltimore County is that where John Travolta and that guy who thinks he's Johnny Cash work?

Yeah someone did, you just need to go back more than just a few months. Try starting with post #26.

[vafirefighter91]

I cant' believe you idiots are still posting crap on this thread, there lots of other topics to vent on.

[johnnydilznik]

I cant' believe you idiots are still posting crap on this thread, there lots of other topics to vent on.

Whats with all the name calling on this site?

[EL TORO]

No matter what happens, all the fun is getting there

:D:D:D

Now that, is a FACT!

[co237]

This is off topic but does anyone have a used probar halligan tool that they might want to sell?