Aerial device for rural areas

[jackas93]

What would be a good aerial truck. for rural areas with 2.5 story homes with long and narrow drive ways

[LtDad]

BakerAerialscope....75'....simple to operate....flow straight stream (1,000gpm) from ground up....

[X12]

good for changing light fixtures at home too :D

[sandpuppy]

good for changing light fixtures at home too :D
Sure if you can drive it in and out of the driveway!!

[LtDad]

You know what.....it happened...I fixed it better than what it was....get the f_ck over it...lets try and show some intelligence on this thread...you're all pretty good at throwing the punches out...but suck at tactical operations....

[MTFD515]

35' Ft ground ladder and 16' roof ladder should suffice. but if you NEED a aerial I think a low profile 75' rear-mount ladder should work, but I would stick with the basics!!!http://www.townofshenandoah.com/cms.php/civic/fire_dept/photos/ladder_roof.jpg

[FF IN TRAINING]

Sure if you can drive it in and out of the driveway!!


I noticed spellcheck is working now...

[FF IN TRAINING]

35' Ft ground ladder and 16' roof ladder should suffice. but if you NEED a aerial I think a low profile 75' rear-mount ladder should work, but I would stick with the basics!!!http://www.townofshenandoah.com/cms.php/civic/fire_dept/photos/ladder_roof.jpg

I heard a sutphen aerial 100 ft tower works well. Make that when it leaves the station. Too bad there are more trucks than manpower there.....

[LtDad]

Can that Suckfin....(oopps) Sutphen...flow full capacity at 75'...from the ground...I am really am curious....When Pomfrets finally got ample water at Interoyal...flowing both guns was impressive...but not sure what the capacity was or can be...

[sandpuppy]

Can that Suckfin....(oopps) Sutphen...flow full capacity at 75'...from the ground...I am really am curious....When Pomfrets finally got ample water at Interoyal...flowing both guns was impressive...but not sure what the capacity was or can be...
BUT CAN IT GO BELOW GRADE LIKE THE BAKERSSCOPE? I MEAN HOW MANY TOWERS ARE THERE THE CAN GO BELOW GRADE AND WORK INSIDE A BUILDING? WOULD THE BAKER HAVE BEEN AN ASSET IN THE YANTIC FIRE AT THE MILL ?

[25truck]

I don't remember the Yantic mill burning? What year was that?

[sandpuppy]

I don't remember the Yantic mill burning? What year was that?
NOT THE YANTIC MILL, BUT THE PLANT MY FAULT. WHAT WAS THAT A RUBBER PLANT? NOT SURE DON'T REMEMBER

[MTFD515]

Most towers, especially new towers (HD's)can work inside buildings. and how many fires do you or anyone have BELOW GRADE? if you mean using the bucket on the (#1flr of OMD which is probably doubtful)like FDNY then why wouldn't you use a 2 1/2, blitz-fire or a portable deck gun? (side note - I'm a big fan of FDNY) but we do not live in an urban setting like "tha bronx" some of their tactics work in eastern ct and some don't. Just because it works in FDNY doesn't mean it will work in Brooklyn Ct! No offense to my peeples in Mortlake and East Brooklyn! :D

[jackas93]

Is it possible to refurb a 75' scope and still have single axle

[justtruckin']

We know its impossible to refurb a 92 spartan. Cheap or what!

[Flashover21]

What would be a good aerial truck. for rural areas with 2.5 story homes with long and narrow drive ways


ground ladders!

[Towerhook]

NOT THE YANTIC MILL, BUT THE PLANT MY FAULT. WHAT WAS THAT A RUBBER PLANT? NOT SURE DON'T REMEMBER
Sandpuppy, The Plant is a copper plant and the room was an Acid bath area. But your truck may have helped out. I personally Love the Baker. Due to it’s over all operations. But its biggest asset is its monitor. The flexibility is the best out their. It can knock down more fire then 2 hand crank or remote controlled guns. I wish more towers used them.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p179/laddr68/FIRE005.jpg

[sandpuppy]

Sandpuppy, The Plant is a copper plant and the room was an Acid bath area. But your truck may have helped out. I personally Love the Baker. Due to it’s over all operations. But its biggest asset is its monitor. The flexibility is the best out their. It can knock down more fire then 2 hand crank or remote controlled guns. I wish more towers used them.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p179/laddr68/FIRE005.jpg
YEAH ITS A GOOD OLD TRUCK WORTH EVERY PENNY PAID FOR... AND HAS SCENE ITS SHARE OF WORK ....... AND THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION

[LtDad]

If it wasnt for "24"...sandpuppy you would of been pulling your pud......awesome pic MTFD.......

[sandpuppy]

If it wasnt for "24"...sandpuppy you would of been pulling your pud......
NO I WAS STUCK WITH YOU THAT NIGHT ON THE HT .... NOT ON THE TOWER

[no_seniority_16]

Haha He Does That At Any Call Regardless Special Sauce Hows Your Pancakes.... Hehehe

[MTFD515]

We left room for you!http://www.taftvillefire.org/sitebuilder/images/D677769-R1-016-6A-495x351.jpg

[MTFD515]

BUT, these were the conditions inside that we attempted to handle with 2 1/2's for the first 5 minutes. Never seen a fire act like that!http://www.taftvillefire.org/sitebuilder/images/D677769-R1-018-7A-482x401.jpg

[seagrave24]

listen jackass93 i know the perfict truck for what your talking about a fucking seagrave. here is a picture with the biggest bad ass fucking truck on the face of the earth in action

http://seagrave.com/MySeagrave/ContentManager/PhotoGallery/Large/1227KenyonSt,NW5.1.6.f.jpg

[AC302]

Consider a quint...perfect for a small department..and since the aerial feature probably would not be used often you still have an engine, pumper or whatever you wanna call it to work with.

[greengiant68]

I beleive that a truck is only as good as its crew is. If I were to make a choice I would go with Baker. Every areial has its place and all have good features. Its how you use it ,and if you use it. Big problem is space at scene and when they are called. Remember the basics it might be throwing ground ladders time.

[Harley05]

Is it possible to refurb a 75' scope and still have single axle
Yes it is. You only have to go to dual axels if you want a pump and more compartment space. (advantageapparatus.com)

[Harley05]

listen jackass93 i know the perfict truck for what your talking about a fucking seagrave. here is a picture with the biggest bad ass fucking truck on the face of the earth in action

http://seagrave.com/MySeagrave/ContentManager/PhotoGallery/Large/1227KenyonSt,NW5.1.6.f.jpg
to bad they lost the building due to the length of time it took to get that tiller to the sene and set it up!

[LtDad]

Harley 05...I see you referenced Advantage Apparatus in stating that a 75' aerialscope can be put on a single axle....Maybe in Canada where the "owner" of Advantage has his work done (to make extra money by way of exchange rates (33%) on the dollar)..but no way can it be legally done in Ct because of the axle weights.....Tower 116 weighs in at 42,000+....No offense Advantage Apparatus supporters.... I think when its time to refurb the tower we get a 2 door cab over, tandem, keeping the length short and I only gotta wait for 1 guy....and no pump/tank.....truck is a truck assigned to do truckie work, driver of the truck should not tied up laying lines, pumping preconnects...etc .....there is alot of useless expensive iron sitting around with 1500+ pumps flow a single 2.5 or couple 1.75 lines...

[Harley05]

Lt Dad, I agree with the no pump on a truck for a truck should be used for what it was intended for, rescue and master streams. And the total weight of T116 is 43,780 as of the scales @ C116 place of employment.
Willimantic @ the fire on Oxbow used the Tower to lay a line to their engine before setting up to opperate. Info from C202 who was on sene before first line was stretched. Not throwing stones just difference of opinion on how to use the Tower.

[LtDad]

Great for a truck/ladder to lay its own supply line, I'll support that 110%...excuse me on the not knowing the exact weight, proud of the fact you do.....

[greengiant68]

Cab from crane or concrete truck single person out the door faster!

[greengiant68]

OK I own a camera ! I get the picture SEE YA!!!!!!!!!

[justtruckin']

I'll throw stones. If the tower laid a line that is total bullshit. The fire went out with reported people trapped. The tower crew should of been in the building, not screwing with hose lines. But I forget sometimes that I'm in eastern Ct. Not a clue.

[justtruckin']

Not much you can do when state instructers have little or no experience; or selling drugs. Someday they will teach us to be aggressive and take chances. You won't lose your house.

[Harley05]

Great for a truck/ladder to lay its own supply line, I'll support that 110%...excuse me on the not knowing the exact weight, proud of the fact you do.....
The problem was they didn't lay for threir own opps they layed out for the engine knowing that second due was on their ass. I agree with justtruckin, people trapped and your laying out with the Tower.. not good.

[jackas93]

That's what happens when you only have 3 guy's

[Bose109]

It's really unfortunate that someone's house has to burn down or somebody has to loose a loved one before the northeastern connecticut fire service changes. I used to think it was funny the way departments wasted civilian tax dollars on ridiculous apparatus concepts. But now that I think about it, it's really sad. I wish I was a salesman in the area. You people would buy anything. Lets put a 60k pump on a tower/truck becuase engines cant pump water to any aerial apparatus anymore, or you need to spend 50k on a cafs system becuase water doesnt work anymore, or my favorite, we need to put a 40k communications console in the next piece of apparatus becuase you cant command a fire ground with out six different radios and the abillity to talk to houston. The answer to saving life and property doesnt lie in some sales pitch. The answer lies in each individual to step up to the challenge and make the difference. Take the money that is invested on poor apparatus options and invest it into training from a group of instructors that have on the job experience. Get your minds out teletuby land and into reality. Joe blow civilian will thank you for it.

[jackas93]

Holy shit! A person with some common scense. Up here they worry about making numbers look good instead of having equipment to meet our needs . Just remember it's in the bag

[LtDad]

Where da hell you been dude.......Nice verbage.....wanna be chief...?

[FF IN TRAINING]

It's really unfortunate that someone's house has to burn down or somebody has to loose a loved one before the northeastern connecticut fire service changes. I used to think it was funny the way departments wasted civilian tax dollars on ridiculous apparatus concepts. But now that I think about it, it's really sad. I wish I was a salesman in the area. You people would buy anything. Lets put a 60k pump on a tower/truck becuase engines cant pump water to any aerial apparatus anymore, or you need to spend 50k on a cafs system becuase water doesnt work anymore, or my favorite, we need to put a 40k communications console in the next piece of apparatus becuase you cant command a fire ground with out six different radios and the abillity to talk to houston. The answer to saving life and property doesnt lie in some sales pitch. The answer lies in each individual to step up to the challenge and make the difference. Take the money that is invested on poor apparatus options and invest it into training from a group of instructors that have on the job experience. Get your minds out teletuby land and into reality. Joe blow civilian will thank you for it.

If only people spoke the words that you say, and this is what most of want to say... but few will say it. Well put. Some should take lessons reading this, and start using this as a example.

[greengiant68]

FF in Training when you have to have someone read somthing to use as an example when all BOSE said was good old common sence. That whats missing in the FD service and the way of life today. BOSE109 well said!!!!!!!!!

[ctlieutenant]

I know this is an older thread but I had to put my 2 cents in.

If your looking for an aerial apparatus the Tele-Squirts are nice. For a small farming community its perfect as the truck can be put either in a driveway or on the road and take up very little space. With a tower if your setting up on a rural road you have just blocked practically both lanes of the road once your outriggers are down. There for eliminating a tanker shuttle loop. Tankers now have to turn around and dump then proceed back to the fill site encountering on coming tankers on very narrow rural roadways.Dont get me wrong Towers are nice and they have some great advantages but if you look at most structure fires in rural community's the large sticks and towers are sitting on the side of the road as they are too big to set up at the scene.


With the squirts like I stated above you can set them up almost anywhere.



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