Screwed Once Again

[HoundDog]

Who didn't know this was going to happen?? A letter comes out from Labor Relations on the 12th giving the Union till the 15th to submit proposals to the Fire Chief on how to carry out the assessment.

Problem is the letter doesn't get delivered until after the deadline????

As if that isn't bad enough the dirty bastards in DC (Labor Relations / Management) want to close CBD on Christmas Eve???????

Now I ask you, how heartless can they be to close a station Christmas Eve? I understand the transfers would relieve some OT for Christmas Day but come on, 4 days before the transfers are to take place while I am sure there are trades in place for the Holidays already.

You can red the letter from Labor Relations HERE (http://www.iaff121.org/docs/CNICAssesmentImplementation%5B2%5D.pdf) and the reply from the Union HERE (http://www.iaff121.org/docs/CNIC%20Assessment%20Implementation%20Response%20to %20Green%2012-20-06.doc.pdf)

[Chief46]

You're right. The BASTARDS in DC are 100% the cruelest and coldest leaders I have ever met. They should be shot for the callous letter they issued. I suspect the fire chief actually wrote the letter and is really the coldest, uncaring SOB out there.

I called our union officers and they are amazed that someone would propose to close anyplace or transfer anyone on Christmas eve. I give it to them for keeping up the fight when the simple answer is to just give up!

Way to go President Poore and team!!! Fuck NDW and the Fire Chief!!!!

[Twig]

Bill Killen taught Eddie Stillwell everything he knew, then gave him
his Chief's job. When Killen left (how many of you know THAT story?)
Eddie got Killen's job! Some knew this as far back as 1988!

Be careful out there! NOBODY'S got your back! I'm so sorry for the
guys at CBD! Hope you land on your feet OK. It was a great place
to work.

DAMN! Christmas Eve! (Incidentally, didn't the latest letter say something
about at least till February? The one before this one.) That just plain SUCKS!

[Twig]

I put this under a seperate post for a reason.

If Stillwell was truly concerned about the "overtime burden",
then he woud have hired the proper number of people that
he is BUDGETED for instead of working short and doing WHAT
with the money. But NO...THAT might not make him look all
that EFFICIENT to the Upper Management and his BONUS at
the end of his year wouldn't be so BIG. (How big was YOUR
last bonus? Oh, I forgot! "We aren't budgeted for bonuses
for you guys.") He has been doing this for YEARS and you know
full well that this "letter" has been drafted for more than just
a few days. This has been coming for 2 years!

Once again, the people on the floor take it on the chin while
management and their cronies get taken care of.

[xmas]

Good Luck to the Firefighters at CBD, I'm sure the local is going to look out for you.

[Outsider]

Let's face it people, the ex-Firefighters from CBD will be alright and will do just fine, the important thing is this, no one is going to lose their job(s) because of this, because this was in, and part of the long range plan.

See people, between the promotions through-out the command, a few F/F's leaving to go to work for various municpalities, and a retirement here and there, the openings that were left by these, will now be filled by the ex-Firefighters from CBD. Let's face it, a Station that only runs 4 or 5 calls a year on their respective base, is a waste of money.

I'd rather a station or two be closed/shutdown or restructured on Christmas Eve, than 8-10 F/F's lose their jobs on Chritmas Eve.

But the funny thing is this, local f-121, dosen't give a S**T, hey they still get their money (Dues) every pay period.

[FireFactory]

Let's face it people, the ex-Firefighters from CBD will be alright and will do just fine, the important thing is this, no one is going to lose their job(s) because of this, because this was in, and part of the long range plan.

See people, between the promotions through-out the command, a few F/F's leaving to go to work for various municpalities, and a retirement here and there, the openings that were left by these, will now be filled by the ex-Firefighters from CBD. Let's face it, a Station that only runs 4 or 5 calls a year on their respective base, is a waste of money.

I'd rather a station or two be closed/shutdown or restructured on Christmas Eve, than 8-10 F/F's lose their jobs on Chritmas Eve.

But the funny thing is this, local f-121, dosen't give a S**T, hey they still get their money (Dues) every pay period.


Outsider, you can go fuck yourself..you piece of horse shit!!!!

[Chief46]

Let's face it, a Station that only runs 4 or 5 calls a year on their respective base, is a waste of money.

But the funny thing is this, local f-121, dosen't give a S**T, hey they still get their money (Dues) every pay period.


Outsider, you are so right. For that matter, close them ALL down. In my 25 plus years in the system I have seen less than one or two true fire calls each year where we really make a difference. Hundreds/Thousands of smells and bells calls but really only one or two real incidents. So yes, CLOSE THEM ALL DOWN, starting with your station.

I have enough time to retire so I won't be hurt by a closing. In fact, I will be one of the last out the door and I suspect you will be gone long before me! And when I go I will be drawing a retirement check every month.

I suggest you and anyone else that believes your line of horse shit quit the union and keep your money.

JM

[Twig]

Outsider....

You were doing real good until this! You must not realize that
the REAL job of the FD is to KEEP FIRES FROM HAPPENING! It's
called "PROTECTING Life and Property". It's called FIRE PREVENTION.
It's called LIFE SAFETY.

Every time the Navy has closed a Fire Station on an installation
there has been a MAJOR problem within a year. Remember Solomons
Annex? Remember White Oak? There is a LOT of hazards and dangerous
stuff at CBD even though it is not full of people. It is a LABORATORY
with PROJECTS.

I'm not big fan of the "Union" and its lack of action. And I'm certainly
no fan of the "Management" of NDW and its lack of concern for its
personnel, but to say that these guys "are going to be OK" is just
plain dumb! How would YOU like to be scrambling to find a work place
at ANY time of year on NO NOTICE? Oh yeah! The "government" will
take care of you. (And there REALLY IS an Easter Bunny)

Outsider...you rant and that is your right, but did YOU write your
elected official? Did YOU go to the "Union"? Did YOU offer to help?

Hell! I'm retired from the government and I WROTE MY elected
officials and I don't even live there any more! I still care about the
guys I worked with. YOU should care about the guys you work with!

Hell! You sound like the very people you rant about! Killen doesn't
care...he got his. Stillwell doesn't care...he got his. The Union doesn't
care...they got theirs (Seen any correspondence from IAFF National?
THEY have said in their OWN press releases over the years that THEY
don't really care about the "Federal Sector" as it is so small to be con-
cerned with! All THEY care aout is that per-capita money.) Apparently
you got yours. Your comments were purely COLD!

Want to show that you care? PICK UP A PEN and write your congress-critter!
PICK UP THE PHONE and call your congressman or senator's office! E-Mail
'em fer chrissake! You spend enough time on TWD! You OBVIOUSLY have
computer access!

To the guys at CBD...I care and I DID write and call and E-Mail!
I hope you all DO get decent placement somewhere. DON'T WAIT FOR
THE GOVERNMENT OR MANAGEMENT to take care of you because
THEY WON"T! Look at the dates of the letters so far! You need to
hit the pavement and see/call/write people and be proactive in your
case.

Good luck to you and know that A LOT of us out there DO CARE.

[HoundDog]

Let's face it people, the ex-Firefighters from CBD will be alright and will do just fine, the important thing is this, no one is going to lose their job(s) because of this, because this was in, and part of the long range plan.

You are correct that nobody is losing their job. I do feel it is just wrong to call them ex-firefighters from CBD. The whole "ex" thing just gives the wrong impression.

See people, between the promotions through-out the command, a few F/F's leaving to go to work for various municpalities, and a retirement here and there, the openings that were left by these, will now be filled by the ex-Firefighters from CBD.

What was stopping the Fire Chief from filling "some" of the vacancies with Temp. Positions. At least these guys know that their continued employment is not a definite.

Let's face it, a Station that only runs 4 or 5 calls a year on their respective base, is a waste of money.

After talking to some people and reviewing last years (fiscal) run stats. They ran close to 50 calls on base. Not bad for a base that has very few integrated fire alarms, but instead only Gamewell boxes. Then add in the fact that system had probably been out of service as much or more than it has been in service.

I will give it to you, the numbers are still not great but (again after talking to a few people) many things that should have been logged as calls never were.

As for fires, I guess the guys there should be punished for doing quality inspections each month and ensuring discrepancies are corrected to prevent any major incidents.

I'd rather a station or two be closed/shutdown or restructured on Christmas Eve, than 8-10 F/F's lose their jobs on Chritmas Eve.

I would rather they had some common f*$%ing sense and did it well before or well after the holiday period.

But the funny thing is this, local f-121, dosen't give a S**T, hey they still get their money (Dues) every pay period.

Yeah they didn't give a $hi7, they didn't notify anyone of the letter or send a reply or contact congressional supporters to let them know what was going on. We know the Union can't stop anything management does, but they can file ULP's for violating Federal Labor Law and hope the result is for the best. Without the threat of a strike, the Union power is limited but with SOLIDARITY and UNITY many things can be fought for!

[Outsider]

Yeah they didn't give a $hi7, they didn't notify anyone of the letter or send a reply or contact congressional supporters to let them know what was going on. We know the Union can't stop anything management does, but they can file ULP's for violating Federal Labor Law and hope the result is for the best. Without the threat of a strike, the Union power is limited but with SOLIDARITY and UNITY many things can be fought for!

If the union can't stop Management, then why have a union?

ULP's are "Useless", they don't prove or do a thing, and what about the last one, what did it accomplish, what did it do?

So like I've been saying since day one, "What good are unions in the Federal Work Force", I'll tell you what they're good for, they're good for is this:

"THEY'RE GOOD FOR TAKING YOUR MONEY, AND DOING NOTHING"

[Fireplug44]

If the union can't stop Management, then why have a union?

ULP's are "Useless", they don't prove or do a thing, and what about the last one, what did it accomplish, what did it do?

So like I've been saying since day one, "What good are unions in the Federal Work Force", I'll tell you what they're good for, they're good for is this:

"THEY'RE GOOD FOR TAKING YOUR MONEY, AND DOING NOTHING"

Speaking of useless, maybe you should look in a mirror. Even if Federal employee unions are ineffective, what you are doing is not producing any more results. By the way. I don't have any use for unions, as most of what they do is BS, but in this case at least they are trying. GET A LIFE!!!!!

[firechief46]

Hate and discontent.............................God this place will never change!

[Watch_Dog]

Ya know, I think were the only Fire Department in the history of the Fire Service, that's getting "Screwed" by both Management, and the Union.

[Chief46]

Ya know, I think were the only Fire Department in the history of the Fire Service, that's getting "Screwed" by both Management, and the Union.

So quit the union, department or both if you are so unhappy!

[firechief46]

I feel better already...

[Outsider]

I agree Watch Dog, it's pretty bad, when you have to battle both, but in my case at least I'm not giving my hard earn money away to them.