Should departments go lights and siren to stand-by's ??

[FF IN TRAINING]

Just want some thoughts on this......maybe it is me, but I do think company's have SOG's not to.....

[goliath1]

Just want some thoughts on this......maybe it is me, but I do think company's have SOG's not to.....
Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your time than complain about everything everyone else does??? You are NOTHING and will always be that in this department!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deuce Engine]

I may not know who y'all are, but why are you responding L&S for a fill-in?

[FF IN TRAINING]

Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your time than complain about everything everyone else does??? You are NOTHING and will always be that in this department!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who said I am complaining about everyone else ? I was just throwing a question out there.......

[LtDad]

I really hope it is not true. It certainly is not listed in the SOG's. If it is true, then that is the definition of what a true blue "WHACKER" is.....

[justtruckin']

They did it just to be safe around the grounds. Shut off once out of the area.

[FF IN TRAINING]

I really hope it is not true. It certainly is not listed in the SOG's. If it is true, then that is the definition of what a true blue "WHACKER" is.....

Thanks to my answer to my question..... Gosh, I am done posting here ( I an intending to resign from TWD), it becomes something of a issue when I just ask a question.... Not pointing fingers, rasiing concerns etc.... people take things the wrong way. Everything I say people just blow out ofporpotion, if others say it, it is laughed off.....

[jackas93]

No . There's no rush to drive to another sta. Consider it a pri.2 call

[expresshockey35]

I think you could consider in this same whacker class a full response from 3 departments for a fire alarm at a high school, regardless if it's occupied or not.

[LtDad]

Thats why your the president. For the amount of taxpayer money invested in that building and not knowing who or what will get out the doors and respond, 3 departments is preferred. When it becomes a problem detector then 9 reduces it down to 1. Thats their choice.

[expresshockey35]

so why not have 9 respond and put 16 and 12 in quarters? Or 9 respond lights and siren, and 16 and 12 with traffic. Any way you put it, we should weigh what's the safest and saves the town the most in fuel expenses.

[X12]

I think they should just let it burn down and save all the towns the trouble of voteing to move somewhere else. :D

[justtruckin']

Thanks for the correction FF

[justtruckin']

I second that motion X12.

[jackas93]

Most depts. do . But I know of one that can't because the batteries have just enough power to start the engine , so any extra lights are out of the question . LTDAD KNOWS ABOUT IT

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Most depts. do . But I know of one that can't because the batteries have just enough power to start the engine , so any extra lights are out of the question . LTDAD KNOWS ABOUT IT

what a bunch of lossers no rules west is there

[expresshockey35]

what a bunch of lossers no rules west is there

are you related to sandpuppy or did you sit next to each other in spelling class when you were kids?

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are you related to sandpuppy or did you sit next to each other in spelling class when you were kids?

who is sandpupppy sounds like a chiefs little bitch boy with puppy at the end is this a member of you so called board of dicketors?

[WorldWide]

Will you piss-ants stop your bitching!!!! This place used to be enjoyable to spend a few minutes reading comical drama in. Now it nothing but a crybaby session.

Grow up or go home.

[expresshockey35]

how cute of you, to create a screenname that totally describes your woman's ass...WORLDWIDE.

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how cute of you, to create a screenname that totally describes your woman's ass...WORLDWIDE.

how dumb of u to create a screenname that depicts your sex life express = minute man hockey = stick in butt 35 = number of men you want to gangbang

[expresshockey35]

Wow, I'm impressed. How long did it take for you to type all of that without spelling mistakes?

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Wow, I'm impressed. How long did it take for you to type all of that without spelling mistakes?

after hearing about u 2 seconds

i heard some other dick is being blamed for my postings now i will post more and more you fools are not even close to know whothis is

[expresshockey35]

and I don't think anyone here really gives a fuck either.

[expresshockey35]

If you didn't attend 16's banquet, here's what you missed:

http://www.thescore.ca/sixpack/hamburglar.gif

[ctlieutenant]

Thats why your the president. For the amount of taxpayer money invested in that building and not knowing who or what will get out the doors and respond, 3 departments is preferred. When it becomes a problem detector then 9 reduces it down to 1. Thats their choice.

LtDad you are 100% correct on this. The facility your referring to is notorious for fire alarms and to scale a response back from three company's down to one company regardless of the time of day is foolish. The way it used to be is all units responded priority one until either an officer or apparatus arrived and confirmed that the situation did not deem a response of eight or nine engines and two heavy rescues.We all get complacent when running fire alarms as maybe one out of fifty is an actual emergency but are we really willing to take the chance of being wrong. Id rather have three departments en route that i can turn back if not needed rather then need them and have to wait for a tone and response from each when the shits hitting the fan.

[expresshockey35]

I think this is a matter not of scaling back, but evaluating what the correct response should be based on emergency needs, not "vested interest". New York City has office buildings in Albany, New York, the capital of NY State. Does the FDNY respond to Albany for fire alarms simply because they have "vested interest" in the buildings they own?

[LtDad]

ExpressoIwannabeahockeyplayer......you can be dumb as a stump...Try telling your local Regional District # 11 (Chaplin,Hampton,Scotland educational district) tax payer that paid/pays $$$millions into it, that if and when the school lights off that their towns' fd doesnt go on the initial response because the correct response is 1 department. That was tried once and it failed miserably. If you would of passed FF I you would of learned that fire doubles in size within minutes. The school has an alarm system that works. (not the best either I grant you that) Rural fd's need early notification that there is a problem at their school and be able to address it early on. Compare that to your idea of 1 department, maybe 1 or 2 apparatus, and hear on the radio "working fire". You'd be the first to complain why weren't the other departments started on the initial response.

Thank you ctlieutenant for your backing on this issue. Complacentcy is going to turn that place into rubble one day.

[ctlieutenant]

Complacentcy is going to turn that place into rubble one day.

Nothing is worse then getting called to a business multiple times a week for a faulty head but like I said before that one time you let your guard down thats when your gonna get porked. I remember a business on Zeiglier Rd. back in the early 90"s used to get frequent alarms."WW" would send 16,09 and 12 and an engine out of WC for this alarm. 95 % of the time 09,12 and WC was held en route as units on scene were reporting a malfunctioning alarm. But then early one morning the unthinkable happened. A fire alarm was received first in Et reported smoke showing upon investigating transmitted a "72" made for a very long morning. How many times had we been to this business and it was just an alarm hell i lost count So yes it can happen and this is why the three department response is essential. What are the chances again maybe one out of fifty but are you willing to take that chance. LtDad if you are who I think you are :D then you will remember the above incident.

[FF IN TRAINING]

Wish I could say things like this....But when I do, it gets all jammed down my throat, because it is me. And when I try to improve things, the same thing happens....... And this past Saturday showed how much things need to improve !! Good thing I still have friends left, cause we had a great time at the event Saturday...... :D

[expresshockey35]

ExpressoIwannabeahockeyplayer......you can be dumb as a stump...Try telling your local Regional District # 11 (Chaplin,Hampton,Scotland educational district) tax payer that paid/pays $$$millions into it, that if and when the school lights off that their towns' fd doesnt go on the initial response because the correct response is 1 department. That was tried once and it failed miserably. If you would of passed FF I you would of learned that fire doubles in size within minutes. The school has an alarm system that works. (not the best either I grant you that) Rural fd's need early notification that there is a problem at their school and be able to address it early on. Compare that to your idea of 1 department, maybe 1 or 2 apparatus, and hear on the radio "working fire". You'd be the first to complain why weren't the other departments started on the initial response.

Thank you ctlieutenant for your backing on this issue. Complacentcy is going to turn that place into rubble one day.

Well then, I know I'm speaking to the resident expert on resetting alarms, LTDad, as in "Lost Tesicles, Dumb as Doorknob", or "Cowboy" as you are also refered. Maybe what the real issue here is the attitude towards what we're doing..because I know that when those tones go off, the first thought in many minds is NOT that the building, or our "vested interest", may be in danger, but "Shit, we've gotta smoke the other 2 departments there." That, "Cowboy", is the type of attitude that gets people KILLED. I hate to say it, but it's nearly guaranteed that something tragic will happen when you empty 3 stations worth of this attitude, blowing through dangerous intersections simply to beat another department.

Simply, if you want to start the 3 departments, how about 9 on a response, 12 and 16 with traffic? Or 9 full response, and 1 ET from 12 and 16?

If the high school was built in Brooklyn, would you still expect Mortlake to put 9, 12 and 16 on that runcard too?

[FF IN TRAINING]

Lots of MY tax dollars have paid for Hartford/New Haven/Bridgeport...... can we be put on the runcard for a first alarmer ?

[ctlieutenant]

Maybe what the real issue here is the attitude towards what we're doing..because I know that when those tones go off, the first thought in many minds is NOT that the building, or our "vested interest", may be in danger, but "Shit, we've gotta smoke the other 2 departments there." That, "Cowboy", is the type of attitude that gets people KILLED. I hate to say it, but it's nearly guaranteed that something tragic will happen when you empty 3 stations worth of this attitude, blowing through dangerous intersections simply to beat another department.

Simply, if you want to start the 3 departments, how about 9 on a response, 12 and 16 with traffic? Or 9 full response, and 1 ET from 12 and 16?

If the high school was built in Brooklyn, would you still expect Mortlake to put 9, 12 and 16 on that runcard too?


expresshockey35 I think somewhere your missing the point of the full three department response but I do see some of your points.

I agree there is alot of "Cowboy" activity these days.How do we solve that problem well when an officer is appointed whether by the chief or membership they have a duty to uphold the departments S.O.P"s,S.O.G"s and State motor vehicle laws pertaining to the over the road operation of fire apparatus.Every department has rules for this. This means making sure the drivers are driving with due regard,stopping at intersections,using emergency lights and sirens,that all crew members are seat belted in and that the driver is driving the apparatus in a safe and controlled manner. This duty should not fall solely on the chiefs shoulders it falls on the shoulders of his lower officers and members as well to enforce.The officers job should be once a complaint is made by a member or civilian or unsafe acts witnessed by that officer on a driver to immediately correct the situation then the chief takes the appropriate actions to ensure the situation has been corrected and that disciplinary action has been taken . As an officer you are issued a radio,a call sign and appointed as an officer with powers so do your job and as a member if you are subjected to an unsafe act it is your duty to report it to the officer or chief.

As for the size of the response like in another reply I made it is too risky to scale a response back.

[jackas93]

To be talking about this shit on the watchdesk your all dumb asses

[ctlieutenant]

To be talking about this shit on the watchdesk your all dumb asses

First off insulting people is not a way to get your point across. If anything it makes you look like the dumb ass.

Second, The watch desk is a public forum broken down by state and county were members can discuss events,issues and or general discussion about the fire service in their county. The topic being discussed is in Windham County.

Third, A topic was started about an observation a member made and had a question about it. Now whether you like this member or not is the least of concerns. They asked a question and they deserve an honest answer. If you read the entire thread the question went from why was a department responding priority-1 to a stand by to why there is a three department response to a fire alarm at a certain business. Once again the questions are being answered.Remember the first amendment (Freedom Of Speech) No one is breaking HIPPA rules so I am not really sure what your issue is and personally I don't care.

[jackas93]

First off insulting people is not a way to get your point across. If anything it makes you look like the dumb ass.

Second, The watch desk is a public forum broken down by state and county were members can discuss events,issues and or general discussion about the fire service in their county. The topic being discussed is in Windham County.

Third, A topic was started about an observation a member made and had a question about it. Now whether you like this member or not is the least of concerns. They asked a question and they deserve an honest answer. If you read the entire thread the question went from why was a department responding priority-1 to a stand by to why there is a three department response to a fire alarm at a certain business. Once again the questions are being answered.Remember the first amendment (Freedom Of Speech) No one is breaking HIPPA rules so I am not really sure what your issue is and personally I don't care.
Who made you the pastor of the watchdesk

[ctlieutenant]

Who made you the pastor of the watchdesk


You know something for the past two days I have spent time reading through the topics in Windham County and I will say this.I am disgusted as I have only came across one thread that actually made any sense and didn't contain any pissing and moaning . The purpose of this forum is not to be a place to motherfu*k and or disrespect your chief whom I know personally and Know for a fact he gives 110% to his department. Or to disrespect your fellow members and to turn a certain department into a goddamn circus it is a place to discuss tactics,current fire service events, asking questions, sharing tips and techniques and most importantly learning. Not to badmouth everyone . It was never that way.You folks talk about how ratty your gear is well I can say this I can remember your chief getting used gear from Montgomery County Md. back in the early 90"s and issuing it to the active members so they would be outfitted with nfpa approved gear as money was tight and the members then never complained once as they were grateful to have gotten updated gear. You complain about the training well I know for a fact every Monday there is something going on at the station use your time constructively and instead of sitting on the computer or in front of the tv take some initiative and study the trucks , read your s.o.p"s and s.o.g"s whenever someone is around who is trained on a particular truck ask them to take you out and teach you. Dont wait for a fire and then whine because you dont know what to do. Take some pride in the station god knows you got a brand new one. Try being in the old station in the dead of winter when it was cold as hell in there, or taking a shit in that cold ass bathroom just big enough to move in. You folks complain about the trucks, how about the old Lafrance that leaked more water then it held no one complained as they worked with what they had now the department has much newer trucks and all there is is whining. Be thankful for what you have.When I read these posts I don't see professionals I see a bunch of people dragging the department through the mud. Stand up be proud of your department, work hard to train every chance you get and take some pride. Like someone said before what happens when the town selectwoman sees these posts and it gets aired out to the public what then, first it will destroy your reputation of being professional public servants, People will be less apt to donate as they will see it as a waste of money and you will become a laughing spectacle to all the rest of the area departments if you haven't already.

So jackass to answer your question yes you could say im the forum paster :D

I know some will take offense to this and like iv said before if the shoe fits then wear it. I'm sure most who read this will disregard the intended meaning of this reply and go on with the childish games and destroy a great department but like they say you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink the choice is up to you.

[jackas93]

Old sta. been there. Old lafrance drove it . Come to the sta. take some pics. OH. You have already . Reputation, Well by the words of your story you know alot about the sta. so you know the stories about the things that have been done. So don't give me that shit. Freedom of speech so I don't care. Feel free to show,tell, do what ever you want

[ctlieutenant]

Old sta. been there. Old lafrance drove it . Come to the sta. take some pics. OH. You have already . Reputation, Well by the words of your story you know alot about the sta. so you know the stories about the things that have been done. So don't give me that shit. Freedom of speech so I don't care. Feel free to show,tell, do what ever you want


Well by the words of your story you know alot about the sta.

Yes I Do.

Feel free to show,tell, do what ever you want

No one said anything about telling,showing or doing anything!!!! If you bothered to read the reply what im saying is this is a public forum, the members make no effort to censor what they are saying or the identity of the department. If I was Joe Blow tax payer and I went into the Windham County section and saw members of my fire department complaining about gear, lack of training, or just being plain unprofessional Id sure wonder what my tax dollars were being spent on.And what does that mean Jackass??? You get $xx,xxx for a budget from the tax payers then you go out and do fund raising to supplement the rest of your expenses . Do you think Joe Blow is going to willingly spend any additional money to support a fire department that is exploiting their laundry not to mention he going to crush the department by word of mouth. My reply was not intended to insult anyone i

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Well by the words of your story you know alot about the sta.

Yes I Do.

Feel free to show,tell, do what ever you want

No one said anything about telling,showing or doing anything!!!! If you bothered to read the reply what im saying is this is a public forum, the members make no effort to censor what they are saying or the identity of the department. If I was Joe Blow tax payer and I went into the Windham County section and saw members of my fire department complaining about gear, lack of training, or just being plain unprofessional Id sure wonder what my tax dollars were being spent on.And what does that mean Jackass??? You get $xx,xxx for a budget from the tax payers then you go out and do fund raising to supplement the rest of your expenses . Do you think Joe Blow is going to willingly spend any additional money to support a fire department that is exploiting their laundry not to mention he going to crush the department by word of mouth. My reply was not intended to insult anyone i

dude can you stop with a whole damn book when you write, youmust be related to ff in training i am the pastor here read my screenname

[justtruckin']

The town did find out. They shut the water off to the station!

[FF IN TRAINING]

I have to agree with ctlieutentant..... I support my dept, and all I ask is my dept support me when needed........ I like the people, the fun, the importance of us, and in a whole... Everything !!! Learning curve the past 2 months........Moving on, half of what is exploited on here, should not happen, I am guilty as everyone else is... Is this fun ? Sure is, should be mock others...... not on here. Do it in privacy, because this is a viewing forum by others everywhere.....What gets to me, is that everyone that comments about people on here, just can not say anything in person.... Because they might be "offended"....... To me that means that are saying stuff behind peoples back... WHich is not cool at all........ WIth my new outlook comes one other thing.... And that is in the next year.... I will show you how to represent properly, seeing some others can not do it at all.

[ctlieutenant]

[QUOTE=FF IN TRAINING]I have to agree with ctlieutentant..... I support my dept, and all I ask is my dept support me when needed........ I like the people, the fun, the importance of us, and in a whole... Everything !!!

Thank you ff the fire service is a place to yes get together have some fun, but yet we have a job to do and training ,respect and disipline must come first and foremost.


half of what is exploited on here, should not happen, I am guilty as everyone else is... Is this fun ? Sure is, should be mock others...... not on here. Do it in privacy, because this is a viewing forum by others everywhere....

You are 100% right ff, I will agree with you its is fun to bust someones balls or to mock them but do that out of sight out of mind of the public. On here it is just to risky and remember your duties in the station come first and foremost.



.What gets to me, is that everyone that comments about people on here, just can not say anything in person.... Because they might be "offended"....... To me that means that are saying stuff behind peoples back... WHich is not cool at all........

Nothing is better then a face to face if you have something to say a bout a particular person. What if they get offended tough shit they wont stay mad forever. And about talking about others behind their back your right its not cool but like said above be a man sort out your differences don't do it on here for everyone to see.If you want to have an audience join a circus and become a clown.

And that is in the next year.... I will show you how to represent properly, seeing some others can not do it at all.

Lead by example ff I sure hope your true and sincere about your goal.

[justtruckin']

FF It will take more than a year. Maybe you should find a new hobby.

[jackas93]

Under your name ctlieutant it say's full of wisdom. It should say full of shit

[ctlieutenant]

Under your name ctlieutant it say's full of wisdom. It should say full of shit

Jackass what have I been wrong about so far???? Whats the matter truth hurt.

[jackas93]

Got Water , Got Heat ???????

[ctlieutenant]

Got Water , Got Heat ???????

what does water and heat have to do with this topic. Jackass have you had one too many to drink :D :D

[jackas93]

Everybody should have lights and sirens and go like hell just because we can. Did I tell you that I was an asshole yesterday , I'll be an asshole today , and tomorrow I'll be an asshole . So if someone has a promblem with me or what I have to say DON'T READ WHAT I WRITE. If your going to whin,cry,bitch about what some of us have to say then stay in your own world and we will stay in ours P.S. See you in the east

[GonnaBeaFireman]

Everybody should have lights and sirens and go like hell just because we can. Did I tell you that I was an asshole yesterday , I'll be an asshole today , and tomorrow I'll be an asshole . So if someone has a promblem with me or what I have to say DON'T READ WHAT I WRITE. If your going to whin,cry,bitch about what some of us have to say then stay in your own world and we will stay in ours P.S. See you in the east
Don't be so hard on yourself Asswhole. Try to lighten up and make Asswhole World the best dam Asswhole World you can. Who needs a hug? Is AWFD and professional or volunteer FD? If it's paid are there any jobs open? I really need to get on the job!

[jackas93]

Right know there is no openings. Sorry I'm wrong need an ASSHOLE to take pics . If you would like take part just send proof of being an as?hole.

[wsfd44]

We have significantly reduced light and siren use in the past year... For minor calls the common response mode is "with traffic". We probably end up in the "with traffic" mode more than lights and sirens. Unless it is a call of a serious nature, the second due unit and later are almost always "with traffic" This is, of course, a radical departure from the past when everything ran hot and took some time to work in. (We still have to "reinforce" the "with traffic" concept from time to time, but we are getting there. Incidentally, citizen complaints of "Your damn trucks had to be doing 90" have sharply decreased.

[no_seniority_16]

All I Know Is, I Had The Most Fun Saturday Nite. Thank You Chief For The Pumping Skills, It All Worked Out Ok. Great Job Everyone. :d

[GonnaBeaFireman]

ExpressoIwannabeahockeyplayer......you can be dumb as a stump...Try telling your local Regional District # 11 (Chaplin,Hampton,Scotland educational district) tax payer that paid/pays $$$millions into it, that if and when the school lights off that their towns' fd doesnt go on the initial response because the correct response is 1 department. That was tried once and it failed miserably. If you would of passed FF I you would of learned that fire doubles in size within minutes. The school has an alarm system that works. (not the best either I grant you that) Rural fd's need early notification that there is a problem at their school and be able to address it early on. Compare that to your idea of 1 department, maybe 1 or 2 apparatus, and hear on the radio "working fire". You'd be the first to complain why weren't the other departments started on the initial response.

Thank you ctlieutenant for your backing on this issue. Complacentcy is going to turn that place into rubble one day.

Check out NL County - Tribes to learn about 16 / MPFD F1(suspended) / 22

[greengiant68]

Happy Holidays to one and all