??'s about E-One Aerials

[firemed15]

Our department has run aerialscopes for the last 20 years and we are in the process of trying to spec out a new tower ladder to replace an older scope. Our current chief is looking at E-One. He likes the HP 95 mid mount. Does anyone know anything about E-One's aerials. We current run a few E-One rescues and engines, but no aerials.

so my questions are:
Does anyone know anything about E-One Aerials, their design, any recurring problems, safety issues or failures?

Does anyone know anything about the HP 95 mid mount aerial in particular, the design, recurring issues or problems, safety issues, failures, mechanical issues or problems?

Thanks in advance.

[Quacker]

Our department has run aerialscopes for the last 20 years and we are in the process of trying to spec out a new tower ladder to replace an older scope. Our current chief is looking at E-One. He likes the HP 95 mid mount. Does anyone know anything about E-One's aerials. We current run a few E-One rescues and engines, but no aerials.

so my questions are:
Does anyone know anything about E-One Aerials, their design, any recurring problems, safety issues or failures?

Does anyone know anything about the HP 95 mid mount aerial in particular, the design, recurring issues or problems, safety issues, failures, mechanical issues or problems?

Thanks in advance.



Not my brand of apparatus.

I would look at the Pierce 95 ft mid mount as my first choice!

The dealer is in you state and has a good repore with the fire service, in fact the gentleman who runs SAFE is an former chief officer in fxco.

[RoofTopTrucky]

Our department has run aerialscopes for the last 20 years and we are in the process of trying to spec out a new tower ladder to replace an older scope. Our current chief is looking at E-One. He likes the HP 95 mid mount. Does anyone know anything about E-One's aerials. We current run a few E-One rescues and engines, but no aerials.

so my questions are:
Does anyone know anything about E-One Aerials, their design, any recurring problems, safety issues or failures?

Does anyone know anything about the HP 95 mid mount aerial in particular, the design, recurring issues or problems, safety issues, failures, mechanical issues or problems?

Thanks in advance.

I think i can be of help on this one. My company Currently runs a 1989 E-One 135 ft. stick. This is indeed a rare breed, as they only made them for about 15 years starting in the early 80's and only made a little over a dozen as I am told. Now....before I ever started with a truck comapany, or learning about how fire trucks are built I looked at it this way.... In the early 80's they ade a 135' aerial that sat on a 14' jack span, and an over ll length of just 44 ft. wich even by today's standards is still pretty damn impressive. Once I started using the truck, I fell in love. It operates beatifully always has, then in 2000 we had it refurbed and all the hydraulics upgraded wich just made it that much better. I could go on and on about it but I think you get my point. As for why they quit making it, it was lack of sales....however they are considering bringing it back, but if they do it won't be for a few years. Here's a link to the truck
http://www.mvfd5.com/truck5.php
Now we are currently specking a new truck, and had we been able to get another 135 it would have been a no brainer, but that wasn't the case, so we looked at literly EVERYTHING!! And it all came back to E-One. FOr a few reasons... one we've always had E-ones.... just too delivery of a new wagon in November from them. But when you get down to the actual aerial it's a no brainer. There are only 2 aerial mfgs that have NOT had an aerial failure.... E-One and Sutphen.. so thats a big plus. Also if you compare the actual ladders you will see that that E-Ones aluminum ladder sections are wider and have a higher side rail than most if not all steel ladders, and they are lighter in weight. This is becasue, Aluminum is obviously lighter than steel, so that allows them to make the ladder bigger and not "over load" the ladder with extra material. With steel the engineering just isn't there.....to make the steel ladder that big would add so much weight it would dramatically take away from the tip load, if it stayed in the air at all. They also have a lower over all weight and a lower center of gravity. A prime exsample would be our truck and the other truck in town. The other is a 4 year old Pierce 100' tower that weighs in at just under 90,000 lbs. Our truck, granted is 20 years old weighs in at 67,000 lbs. Now granted ours is a stick BUT the aerial on the 135's were actually towers where they took off the bucket and added a 5th fly, so it's close enough to make that point.
I havent heard of any major problem.... just like ANY rig that is custom built you are going to have small issues or "teething" problems here and there, but no more tha nanyone else.
I can tell you that the local pierce service vehicle is at the other station in town quite often. Depending on who you talk to of course... they have had some serious problems with it. A few times while operating at a call, it automatically lifted a jack up.
We looked at mid mounts, and I can honestly say I was very pleased with what I saw with the HP95. Now we run straight truck... no pump water hose or any other wagon equipment, so with out all of that we were getting a good bit of comartment space. One thing they do is when you get a pump they have to raise the turntable 12 inches to gain the room for the pump/plumbing, so we asked if they could build it at that height with out the pump to gain more compartment space, no one had ever asked..so they cruched the numbers and they could do it. They also were working on increasing the ladder tunnel capacity.
I can tell you that my expierance with E-One has been great and would recomend them to anyone. If you were able to think outside the box, they were willing to make it happen. They were ALOT more open to cutomizing than alot of other mfgs. For exsample... We decided after all the research to go with a Tiller :D We had already looked a ALF, Pierce and Seagrave at varous expos, so we went at looked at Baltimore County T8 to see what they (E-One) had to offer in a tiller. Later that week we met with reps from E-One.... and told them that they made a nice tiller BUT they neede to raide the body 8 inches to take up wasted space and gain more compartment space, and increase ladder tunnel capacity (again).... I can say that I was recently told that they have indeed fullfilled those requests. There were some other changes but those were the 2 big ones. I would highly recomend them to you. Contact your local rep and tell them you want to do a fly in. Go down to Ocala and meet with their ladder people. they are pretty straight forward and will tell you what they can and can't do, and if no one has ever asked, they'll figure it out for ya.
Lastly, I leave you with this.... I came accross this YEARS ago....and alto there is alot of engineer talk... they put it in laymens terms for you to understand. Take the time to read it, IT's worth it, and if you have anymore questions feel free to PM me. Be safe.

Here's the Link
http://www.e-one.com/pdf/Aerial_White_Paper.pdf

[MPO/CHAUFFER]

Call the guys at Manassas Va., 703-368-6211. They have an EOne HP 105 rear mount and it seems to be OK.

[CountyCrusier]

AND if you read Firehoure.com today you shall see that E-one was sold for $50million after losing $25million last year

[RoofTopTrucky]

AND if you read Firehoure.com today you shall see that E-one was sold for $50million after losing $25million last year

They had been for sale for some time... and it was Fed Sig that lost the 25 million on them. I'll have to dig it up but last year they had outstanding numbers in sales.
Believe me they aren't going anywhere, I can assure you of that. Hell if you wanted to you could sling dirt about all of them...... ALF in Bankrupcy, Pierce's ladder plant on strike.... yada yada yada.

Take it for what it's worth.....Your safe with E-one.

[career voly]

If you want Stability, the Supthen 95' mid-mount platform. Also the Ferrara 85' mid-mount platform is very good.

[crash_&_smash]

Here's a link to the truck
http://www.mvfd5.com/truck5.php

I think Namozine VFD in Dinwiddie Co VA has the same 135' E-one Aerial
http://www.namozinefireems.org/photo_album.html (Aerial)

[RoofTopTrucky]

I think Namozine VFD in Dinwiddie Co VA has the same 135' E-one Aerial
http://www.namozinefireems.org/photo_album.html (Aerial)

Yup that would be a 135' The 5 section ladder is a tell-tale sign.

[Engine4Member]

I see a lot of E-1's here in florida. But the most interesting thing they are in small departments that don't make the runs.

I was up the east coast a few weeks ago and also to the fire expo and I am seeing more and more Pierce's being bought and operated by departments, large and small and less of the E-1's

In fact a friend of mine in Memphis told me that E-1 was out and Pierce was making their pumpers and trucks!! :);)