Dr. Daniels Fired

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Rumor has it that Dr Daniels was fired yesterday for giving confidential
medical reports to the EMS Union president?

[ktflame]

It is true! he is so fired :D. You see what happends when people attempt to railroad certain FD Operations (Paramedic Engines). But he isn't the only one that should get the boot! There are another 4 or 5 people that will hopefully get the axe for playing part in attempting to give the Paramedic Engine program a bad name by directly attacking Paramedics assigned to those companies.

[Loo for life]

Outting poor or even bad performances by Paramedics is not a war Kenny or anyone in EMS want to begin. I can bear wittness to many poor patient care incidents by civillian Paramedics in front of EMS officers over the years. When all is tallied it is a war that will only destroy DCFD as a whole.

Kenny Lyons and that POS Union should just stick to the merits of the 3rd service case and not attacks for an incident here or a incident there.

If they are giving the citizens the worth, they claim to be providing it will come out in the wash. Then again that could be why they have to try and dig up dirt.

Just a thought

[SkyMedic]

What Lyons and 3721 should do is give up and let the transition continue. Never has there been a better deal for paramedics in DC. I bet they wont really do third service, why spend more money when you dont have to. 36 wont lose that part of the budget willingly either.

One question I still have though, if you have a good medic that wants to transition for the sake of improved quality of life but does not want to ride the PEC or truck, could they take a detail right back to a medic unit following the academy?

[Kobersteen]

One question I still have though, if you have a good medic that wants to transition for the sake of improved quality of life but does not want to ride the PEC or truck, could they take a detail right back to a medic unit following the academy?

So, what you are asking is: Can a person reap the benefits of being on the fire side, but not actually perform any of the duties of the fire side apart from the academy? :eek:

Sounds like someone looking for the best of both worlds to me. If a person has no desire to serve in a supression role, they should not take the position from someone who does.

'nuff said.

[TCosgroveJones]

So, what you are asking is: Can a person reap the benefits of being on the fire side, but not actually perform any of the duties of the fire side apart from the academy? :eek:
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Kobersteen

I believe that will be allowed to happen . The precedent for that was established years ago and continues today. No Names Mentioned. ;)

Cosgr :D ve

[SkyMedic]

Should a quality, hard working medic not have the same benefits as a firefighter or police officer? With it being doubtful that a third service will come to be and the city wants it to be one happy family, why woulld anybody suggest that a medic that wants to just be a medic is getting one over by reaping the same benefits? The medic in question doesnt make the rules, he/she just wants to do their job and know that they are taken care of, same as a firefighter or cop. Not meaning to offend, just a discussion.

[KMA]

I think the point was that there is nothing to lose for anyone....except the union leaders' jobs....so like I said, there is nothing to lose....:)

[hennessy_str8]

It Makes Everyone Look Bad In The Public's Eye When We Have All This Finger Pointing, Because The Public Only Sees The Uniform. With That Said I Need To Get Something Off My Chest, Doesn't Everyone Get There Initial Training From Ems Instructors And Some Paramedics Fire And Ems Have Been Trained In The Same Facilities. So What Kenny Lyons Is Saying That The Ems Instructors Are Doing A Terrible Job Training Firefighters And Doing A Good Job Training Ems. (makes You Wonder).

Also I Have Seen All Of The Firefighter-medics On The Scene And They Are Doing A Good Job, Most Paramedics Fire And Ems Had Jitters On There First Few Runs. So Let's Stop All Of The Public Finger Pointing And Let The Transition Commence. (everyone Will Still Have A Job)

[BMIG]

It seems we now have a medical director who's in the go along with the fire side takeover of ems. Quote from Dr Turen, "Fire-based ems is a proven system with high standards of care".

Ems folks, stick a fork in it, your done. :eek:

To you folks on the ems side, you know who you are. Let the azz kissing commence. :D

[NREMT-P]

I do not want to get into DCFD's stuff, but with the last post by BMIG, I have one question. Do we not all serve the public. Why in the world do some on the fire side feel that medics have to kiss their a%%. WE ALL ARE THERE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC. Maybe if we could get rid of the attitudes, have everyone treated the SAME and work as a TEAM things would be so much better. Give it up would you. Think of what great things could actually be done if half of the energy wasted on supporting this division between fire/ems were put towards doing our jobs to the best of our abilitis. WOW. What a thought. Now if Chiefs and Admin. could bet on board with that idea. And no , I do not in any way work for or with DCFD. NREMT-P

[BMIG]

NREMT-P maybe I should have clarified that statement. It wasn't meant to say medics start kissing the fire sides azz. It was meant to say start kissing the new Med Directors azz. New director means new alliances have to be formed. So you know certain folks will start their puckering exercises stat.

Folks like you tickle me with that "let's all get along attitude" in the fire service. There's no such utopia. I mean, I'm not knocking your thing, but I'm a realist. This same thing has been going on long before I put a fire dept uniform on, and probably will be when I'm gone.

"Work as a team" that's funny. :D I'll remember that one when that medic, or emt does the 'two-step aside'(they should have a dancing smilie) when it's time to lift that stretcher or chair.

[NREMT-P]

Sorry for mis reading your post. I take back my shouting. I know that there is no such utopia. However, I think you can agree that some people go out of there way to make life miserable to all and that goes on both sides. Your right also that this "game" will continue long after we are gone. And on your last point, yes, I myself have seen the two step aside by my own partners. At that point, I would and I have purposely made myself busy so that they had no choice but to pick up the stretcher. Now of course, if the pt. was critical it was load and go and not worry about the two step aside. Individuals like that I have no tolerance for. The work needs to be shared, no exceptions. I am both a FF and a Paramedic. I love both sides just as much as the other, and I have been on both sides. Stay safe and again I am sorry for mis reading your post. NREMT-P

[Phantom]

NREMT-P you are spineless, as soon as someone challenges you - you cave. If you have an opinion stand by it.

BMIG - as usual you are right on target.

Does anyone else find it interesting that Mr. Bob (the City Administrator/Deputy Mayor for Public Safety) is on board with this plan (according to the Washington Times), given his history with 3rd service (in Richmond)? Anyone got any idea what that means?

I figure it is on of two things: 1) Because of his experience he no longer believes in a third service/private contractor or 2) that he is listening to his managers (the Fire Chief) and backing his man?

[NREMT-P]

I am not spineles. I still have my opinion, that EMS does not have to kiss anyones
A%%. I felt I did mis read BMIG email unless he was not being truthful that he meant the EMS was going to be kissing the new MD's a%%. And still, why do they have to. Without them, he has no job. What is he going to do, fire all of them. Again, I do not want to get into DCFD's stuff because I am not there and do not know everything that is going on. However, personally, EMS should be integrated. How can they work together in the same city when they are seperate and each has its own system. That makes it difficult and builds tension. Just suck it up and do your jobs. Or are you there for other reasons other than serving the public? HMMMM.

[Loo for life]

Skymedic: The answer to your question was a yes and no, after the probation year of service on a firefighting company a dual role cross trained member who desires to ride the transport unit will be allowed to do so per a previous FD Order.

NREMT-P: Our problem is that Kenny Lyings and the EMS Union are under the mistaken belief that if they go 3rd service the world willl be a better place. He is seriously delusional when it comes to this 3rd service BS. The loss of power is a terrible thing it frieghtens people into beliving that they are doing the right thing.

As was said by BMIG and other including myself, The Mayor, City Council and Government in general should be ashamed of itself if they believe Kenny Lyings and EMS Unions position that only the firemen provide poor service, that EMS personnel are the only ones that can save the system. I was appointed in 1982 and have thus been trained by EMS Members of the Department since then and if my abilities are that bad then everyone in EMS who works in the Training Division should be fired for not performing there duties and for not noting that apparently over 1,000 firemen have been granted the proverbial licence to kill if youwere to believe them.

We are the bearers of burden when it comes to EMS in the District Government, why did we begin responding to all EMS incidents over 13 years ago because a lack of pride in one's job got an EMS Unit with EMS Personnel lost going to then Mayor Wicked Witches Priority 2 (BTW she died) friends location. That was not the first time nor the last lack of professionalism portrayed by EMS Members. But the firefighting division did and has done what it was told since then to provide patient care for the citizen, visitors and workers as the first responder which means to initiate patient care, package the patient and lift and carry for most EMS units.

Okay nuff said on this issue ;)